The Devil made me do it?

[Anthony]

Demons are fallen Angels, co-conspirators of satan.

With all the discussion lately, how do these bad angels cause people such problems? They are created beings which are unique and intelligent.

 

[Wisdom's Child]

Demons are fallen Angels, co-conspirators of satan.

With all the discussion lately, how do these bad angels cause people such problems? They are created beings which are unique and intelligent.

I'm not sure about what your asking.
It's a rather broad topic.

Are you looking for Intent? (the motivation for what they do)
Or the Methodology? (the methods of causing problems)

And, yes they are created beings, but non-coporeal, and interact with us on a spiritual level.

 

[Anthony]

The question, or better the problem I have is when people assign or pass out unique skill sets to one angel over another with statements like

it may have been the spirt of fear or may it was the spirit of depression

 

[Follower of Christ too]

Demons are fallen Angels, co-conspirators of satan.

With all the discussion lately, how do these bad angels cause people such problems? They are created beings which are unique and intelligent.

I am not sure what you mean but I'll give it a shot. Demonic spirits manipulate people and target thier weaknesses.

 

[ydouxist]

The question, or better the problem I have is when people assign or pass out unique skill sets to one angel over another with statements like

it may have been the spirt of fear or may it was the spirit of depression

The best explaination I have is to ask God to use you to cast out a demon.

Jesus did say, "And these signs shall follow those that believe."

Mark 16:17

 

[Anthony]

The best explaination I have is to ask God to use you to cast out a demon.

Jesus did say, "And these signs shall follow those that believe."

Mark 16:17

That is my point exactly. When reference is made to demons it's always seems to be about possession. Also you never hear someone say casting out an angel. It's always casting a demon out, as though that is 99% of what they do, invade as sit inside people.

 

[Anthony]

I am not sure what you mean but I'll give it a shot. Demonic spirits manipulate people and target their weaknesses.

I agree that Demons/satan's Angels target, tempt, and buffet people with everything they've got. They literally bugged people to death, but how do they cause people to become depressed or do something like commit murder. How do they rob people of their free will?

 

[ydouxist]

2 Peter 2:4

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;

I don't think demons are angels based on Peter.
I'm not sure what they are. I do know they exist.
Some assume the name of someone they had controll of in the past.
I do know their power varies. They don't know our thoughts, they only know what they observe people responding to.

 

[Anthony]

2 Peter 2:4

4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;

I don't think demons are angels based on Peter.
I'm not sure what they are. I do know they exist.
Some assume the name of someone they had controll of in the past.
I do know their power varies. They don't know our thoughts, they only know what they observe people responding to.

Demons are not a separate creation. Demons are fallen angels, that left heaven with satan. The term demon is used because of the greek word daimon or daimonion. Daimonion refers to a particular type of being in the Greek Patheon of gods. They were more powerful than humans.

In the Old Testament the word demon(s) appears only 2 times. And when it does it refers to pagan gods and demons. When referring to God's creations it is always Angels or satan. On the other hand the word Angel(s) appears 107 times. It's really only in the New Testament, were the greek word daimonion and it's variations are used.


http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=1140&version=nas

 

[Svt4Him]

Demons are fallen Angels, co-conspirators of satan.

With all the discussion lately, how do these bad angels cause people such problems? They are created beings which are unique and intelligent.

Can you give a cite for your posts please, as it seems a lot of personal opinion.

But let me cite mine:
Numbers 5:14 (NKJV)

14if the spirit of jealousy comes upon him and he becomes jealous of his wife, who has defiled herself; or if the spirit of jealousy comes upon him and he becomes jealous of his wife, although she has not defiled herself—

Judges 9:23 (NKJV)

23God sent a spirit of ill will between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech,
saiah 61:3 (NKJV)

3 To console those who mourn in Zion To give them beauty for ashes, The oil of joy for mourning, The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they may be called trees of righteousness, The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified."

Hosea 4:12 (NKJV)

12 My people ask counsel from their wooden idols, And their staff informs them. For the spirit of harlotry has caused them to stray, And they have played the harlot against their God.

Luke 4:33 (NKJV)

33Now in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice, 34saying, "Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!" 35But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet, and come out of him!" And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him.

The Holy Bible, New King James Version

Now He was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath. 11And
behold, there was a woman who had a spirit of infirmity eighteen years, and was bent over and could in no way raise herself up.

16Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling

7What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8Just as it is written:

"God has given them a spirit of stupor,

For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

4You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5They are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. 6We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.


So as much as your opinion is important, I don't see what you are saying backed by the Bible.

 

[Follower of Christ too]

You guys have given me something to think on here. I agree with Anthony about demons being fallen angels. So, since they are fallen they no longer have fellowship with God... Satanic spirits whose god is satan...Now I am sure we all agree on the Spirit of God. Saying this just look how there are different mention of God's Spirit, Spirit of love, Spirit of Truth yet it is all different administrations of the same Spirit. Now why wouldn't satan have different adminisrations of his evil spirits? It is wonderful that we are able to be fed by the Spirit of God... There are those who don't know God and Christians with weaknesses in thier lives and the enemy will use whatever tactics needed to tear down these people.

 

[pentecostal girl]

Demons are fallen Angels, co-conspirators of satan.

With all the discussion lately, how do these bad angels cause people such problems? They are created beings which are unique and intelligent.

I personally don't believe in the statement "The devil made me do it" Yes the devil will attack you, but we have to rely on God to give us our strength. Jesus was even tempted by the devil! No one can make us do anything, we are responsible for our own actions.

 

[Svt4Him]

I personally don't believe in the statement "The devil made me do it" Yes the devil will attack you, but we have to rely on God to give us our strength. Jesus was even tempted by the devil! No one can make us do anything, we are responsible for our own actions.

Ok,
And as he was still coming, the demon threw him down and convulsed him. Then Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, healed the child, and gave him back to his father.

Who threw him down?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I'm of the opinion that "fallen angels" and "demons" are not one and the same And, at the moment I'm not really prepared to defend that opinion. Perhaps someone else may be though.

No. . .I don't think any evil spirit can "make" us do anything we are not wanting to do in the first place. James 1:14, 15 says, "But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death." According to this scripture the only reason we are even tempted is because it's desire and we want to be enticed.

Our enemy is out to get through any door we leave open. If we leave it open even a crack, we have invited him to entice us. That's why Eph 4:27 says, "do not give place to the devil". If we take care to rid ourselves of the things that hurt us, then the devil will have nothing to work with.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Ok,
And as he was still coming, the demon threw him down and convulsed him. Then Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, healed the child, and gave him back to his father.

Who threw him down?

I believe the initial question was in reference to one who is not demon possessed.

 

[pentecostal girl]

Ok,
And as he was still coming, the demon threw him down and convulsed him. Then Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, healed the child, and gave him back to his father.

Who threw him down?

Is this a verse in the bible, if so could you please show me where that is so I can read the whole verse

 

[ydouxist]

Is this a verse in the bible, if so could you please show me where that is so I can read the whole verse

Luke Chapter 9

37The next day, when they came down from the mountain, a large crowd met him. 38A man in the crowd called out, "Teacher, I beg you to look at my son, for he is my only child. 39A spirit seizes him and he suddenly screams; it throws him into convulsions so that he foams at the mouth. It scarcely ever leaves him and is destroying him. 40I begged your disciples to drive it out, but they could not."
41"O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you and put up with you? Bring your son here."
42Even while the boy was coming, the demon threw him to the ground in a convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the evil[2] spirit, healed the boy and gave him back to his father. 43And they were all amazed at the greatness of God.

 

[Anthony]

Can you give a cite for your posts please, as it seems a lot of personal opinion.

But let me cite mine:
Numbers 5:14 (NKJV)
spirit of jealousy

Judges 9:23 (NKJV)
spirit of ill will I

Isaiah 61:3 (NKJV)
spirit of heaviness

Hosea 4:12 (NKJV)

spirit of harlotry
Luke 4:33 (NKJV)

a spirit of an unclean demon.
spirit of infirmity
spirit of divination
spirit of stupor
spirit of fear

So as much as your opinion is important, I don't see what you are saying backed by the Bible.

Those are not separate distinct beings, but rather they are the character or personality of the being describe in those verses.

Using your logic these too would be demon spirits? Are these good demon spirits? Are these good spirits? good distinct beings?

Spirit of Wisdom - DT34:9
Spirit of Revelation - EPH 1:17
Spirit of Dizziness - ISA 19:14
Spirit of Justice - ISA 28:6
Spirit of Judgement - ISA 4:4
Spirit of Fire - ISA 4:4
Spirit of Knowledge - ISA 11:2
Spirit of Rulers- PS 76:12
Spirit of Animals -ECC 3:21
Spirit of Truth - JN 14:17
Spirit of Life - RO 8:2
Spirit of Unity - RO 15:5
Spirit of Faith - CO 4:13
Spirit of Power - 2TI 1:7

and theses

The Humble Spirit - PR 16:19
The Good Spirit - NE 9:20
The Excellent Spirit - PR 17:27
The Faithful Spirit - PR 11:13

 

[pentecostal girl]

Luke Chapter 9

37The next day, when they came down from the mountain, a large crowd met him. 38A man in the crowd called out, "Teacher, I beg you to look at my son, for he is my only child. 39A spirit seizes him and he suddenly screams; it throws him into convulsions so that he foams at the mouth. It scarcely ever leaves him and is destroying him. 40I begged your disciples to drive it out, but they could not."
41"O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you and put up with you? Bring your son here."
42Even while the boy was coming, the demon threw him to the ground in a convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the evil[2] spirit, healed the boy and gave him back to his father. 43And they were all amazed at the greatness of God.

Thanks, I appreciate it

 

[Lottedah]

That is an interesting concept but here is something to chew on.. some of those people like mary magdalene for instance were believers before were they not? if so then how could believers be possessed with a devil.. I say there must be something else to this and those who say oppression are right on. For those who say those with demons have a choice.. umm no not always.. my entire ministry is horribly wounded demonized people coming to jesus.. some of them are teenaged girls who cut themselves beyond their will.. they cry to me asking for help.. sometimes the demons are manipulating the hand that slashes and cuts them.. so please go and find out more before you mouth off about it being their "choice"
I have gotten calls in the middle of the night from some of my girls whose demons try to rip their hair out, I have seen girls weeping because they dont remember cutting themselves and writiing on the mirror in blood til they passed out.. no its not an incidence of "crazy" because after I have done deliverance on them God set them free. This demon problem is very real and very sad and very dangerous and a whole generation of boys and girls my age need jesus and need your support not your condemnation and mouthing off.
Thats enough to cause a person who is in major demonic bondage to kill themself thinking its them all along and they ARE wicked and crazy. I suggest those who mouthed off about something of which they have no knowledge ask the Lord for wisdom.. because if you dont my job becomes SO much harder.
Thanks.