The Demonic Realm (Influencers)

[BrotherAtArms]

Hi, I'm new, I am a Christian in the Church of God. I am a saved, born-again, believer of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and am in ministry.
I believe in Heaven and Hell, God, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit.
I also believe in Satan, the fallen angels, and the evil spirits often known as Demons...

Now that you know where I stand as far as my beliefs, I can now get down to my point.

I've been doing a study on Demons, and sin. I've come to learn that Demons are in-fact the spirits of the dead, in which are whicked, evil men. (If you disagree with this, tell me so I can show you my sources)

But what I am interested in mostly is knowing my enemy. (Ofcourse though I do love to learn more about my Jesus )
As you see, I have named myself, "BrotherAtArms". I like to think of myself as a warrior against the forces of satan , the fallen angels that follow him, and the evil spirits who have fallen under his control.

So down to the point.. I am looking for answers to the following questions...


1. How can I recognize an attack from the enemy (The influence of an evil spirit).
2. How can I fight off the temptations to sin that has been in my life for over 10 years? (Such as addictions that I'm more than ready to break)
3. How can I discern when another person is facing an attack from the enemy and how can I best help that individual.

And this last one gets people sometimes wondering about me o_o But here it goes...
4. I have infact encountered 2 demons, face-to-face (In other words... I was about to preach a message for God and a demon revealed itself and tried to stop me by striking fear in me) DIDN'T WORK SUCKERS!!
But anyways... I've over-come my fear of demonic spirits, and I pose this question...
How is it possible for me to be able to see (when needed) evil spirits to understand their battle plan against me, or my partners in the ministry?
And a follow up.. IS it possible?

I know this is a lot of stuff, but for over 10 years the enemy has sent attack after attack, and I have over the past year learned much of evil spirits, their origin, and their territorial and speciality in how they work...

I appreciate any info., criticism, ANYTHING at all that you believe will help me further understand my enemy and enable me to counter their attacks.

A servant in Christ,
BrotherAtArms

 

[Demetrios The Greek]

Hi, I'm new, I am a Christian in the Church of God. I am a saved, born-again, believer of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and am in ministry.
I believe in Heaven and Hell, God, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit.
I also believe in Satan, the fallen angels, and the evil spirits often known as Demons...

Hi B.A.A..always a pleasure and a blessing to speak to a new Christian.

Now that you know where I stand as far as my beliefs, I can now get down to my point.

I've been doing a study on Demons, and sin. I've come to learn that Demons are in-fact the spirits of the dead, in which are whicked, evil men. (If you disagree with this, tell me so I can show you my sources)

I agree with you that demons are spirits, but Jewish texts and aprocryphal Christian texts allude to the fact that demons are the spirits of the Nephilim spoken of in Genesis 6:4. I would refer you to the Book of Jubilees and the Book of Enoch if you have the opportunity to read them.

I have infact encountered 2 demons, face-to-face (In other words... I was about to preach a message for God and a demon revealed itself and tried to stop me by striking fear in me) DIDN'T WORK SUCKERS!!
But anyways... I've over-come my fear of demonic spirits, and I pose this question...
How is it possible for me to be able to see (when needed) evil spirits to understand their battle plan against me, or my partners in the ministry?
And a follow up.. IS it possible?

I know this is a lot of stuff, but for over 10 years the enemy has sent attack after attack, and I have over the past year learned much of evil spirits, their origin, and their territorial and speciality in how they work...

I appreciate any info., criticism, ANYTHING at all that you believe will help me further understand my enemy and enable me to counter their attacks.

A servant in Christ,
BrotherAtArms

Since you are a new Christian, deliverance is something you should probably stay away from. However, it is also possible that you are called to that ministry...but I would certainly read as much as I could about the fallen angels before I messed around in that area. I seriously doubt that you faced demonic attacks of any magnitude, but now that you are a Christian, you may certainly be faced with that problem, especially if you are called to a deliverance ministry.

Please feel free to PM me, and I'll be glad to list some books you may want to read. However, I must caution you that a new Christian entering into such realms can be a recipe for disaster. You should definitely speak to your pastor before getting involved in deliverance and spiritual warfare.

Christos Anesti.

Demetrios

 

[BrotherAtArms]

Actually I'm not a New Christian, I'm new to the forums I was raised in church and came to know the Lord as my savior when I was 13, backslid until I was 17, and have been battling it out with satan ever since, and I am now 19.... I've been in ministry for 5 years, but recently I've actually started to get radical and have been preparing messages to speak and have been helping in CD recordings with 2 praise bands. (Bass and Drums)

The only reason I have been studying out demonic forces, who they are and how they work, is so that when temptation comes, I'll be able to recognize it more distinctly.

I know it doesn't make much sense, but hey, to an atheist, a being that created everything doesn't make sense yes the theory that we came from monkies does make sense to them.... kinda odd o0

 

[BrotherAtArms]

I'm sorry I don't mean to double post >< but I just read what you just said, and realised... I have no idea what the books of Enoch and Jubilees... what are they, bibles?

Anyways, I also wanted to add that yes they were demons that I faced, I've been saved longer than you mis-took me for. No worries though ^^

 

[Demetrios The Greek]

They are books that didn't make it into the canon, although it is fairly obvious that Christ quoted from the Book of Enoch. A quick google search will show you the way...

God Bless You on your journey...

Demetrios

 

[BrotherAtArms]

I actually had the priveledge of reading it yesterday, well... part of it.
It was very enlightening, but I came to find out that the Nephilim were not the one's who's spirits became evil spirits because God stated that they would not be ressurected into hell or heaven as the rest of man will.
I believe that actually made it into the actual Word of God too
Even so, the Book of Enoch was found in 1947 and after it was translated, they found that goes against what is said in 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Conclusion is that the BOE is not God inspired.
Quoted from what Elizabeth Clare and David Bercot, "We must consider the evidence when compared to the Bible—God’s only standard of spiritual truth (2 Tim. 3:16,17). When we do this, the BOE must be dismissed as inspired by God and a source of spiritual information."

But it's information is infact true about the Nephilim which I learned about them.

Plus, the fallen angels couldn't be the demons either because of what is said in Jude verse 4, and in 2 Peter 2:4.
"Nephilim" is a Hebrew word translated in the Authorized King James version as "giants." "There were giants in the earth in those days" (Genesis 6:4). It is true that they were giants in more senses than one. However, the word Nephilim does not mean "giants." It comes from the root "naphal," meaning "fallen ones."
Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise." The original Hebrew word translated "deceased" here is the word "Rephaim." It would have saved a lot of misinterpretation if the translators had left the word as it was in the original. The verse actually reads: "Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim, they shall not rise." The Rephaim are generally understood to be one of the branches of the Nephilim, and God's Word makes it clear that they are to partake in no resurrection. But with humans it is different: all humans will be resurrected either to life or to damnation (John 5:28-29).

So I suppose my quest for more knowledge continues as to where evil spirits (Demons) truly come from. But I'm still not ruling out what is said from the 7 Pillars (Sources) about them being from the dead, wicked men.

Any help to shed light on that is always welcome^^

As for messing with "deliverance", or the casting out of evil spirits, I know that Jesus said, "This kind can come out by nothing but prayer and fasting." (Mark 9:29)

So as for taking on actual evil spirits, I believe I have a bit more spritual growth to go through..

XD WELL THEN, that study took up half the day Time for me to find a new study, talk later^^

 

[craig_on_fire]

Not sure to begin with a person who already 'knows' the answers

I'm always challenged when I hear about a demon popping in for a chat with someone.

I know from personal experience that we spend too much time on prayers like binding up satan etc.. and not enough about asking for more of God's presence in our lives.
God is the one who needs the priority not demonic forces.
If demons really do exist then I don't believe they do half as much as we give them credit for.

Mankind is capable of enough evil by ourselves

 

[BrotherAtArms]

Well I don't 'know' all the answers... I just have a lot of views and opinions. But it all comes from things I've already studied on, like tarteras and demonology, etc..

I only study about them becuase they spark an interest in me... Like sports in a lot of men, y'know? But most of my studies are on Jesus Himself... He's the coolest person in the entire Bible I mean, legion (meaning an army of 3-5 thousand men) had to ASK for His PERMISSION to even go somewhere, how awesome is that!?

But on humans being capable of their own evil...
Very true.

But I still believe that temptation comes from demons. Though there is still the fact of a "conscience" as in a flesh vs. spirit battle inside you.

I.E. You decide you want to go play a video game (It's not wrong ofcourse) but something tells you, "Read your Bible"... that's where the spiritual warfare begins, you're torn between 2 choices, you really wanted to go beat the next level of the game, but that part of you wants you to go read some in the Bible... I'm not saying that a demonic force is telling you to go play the game but I am saying that I agree that man is capable of his own evil.

But when a man is on the internet minding his own buisiness and he gets a thought to go to a porn site... THAT is demonic influence...
Some may argue that, "Hey, he's a guy" but it's still a temptation, and I'm led to believe that a guy looking up something about sports and all of a sudden has the urge to look something like that has to be influenced by an evil spirit.

But when you're confronted with something like a man seeking more power in a company, and the only way to do that is to cause someone else to get fired, that is a human evil.... But ofcourse, this is only my opinion

 

[BrotherAtArms]

OH, I wanted to correct something I said on a previous post...

About the Fallen Angels not being evil spirits, it's actually possible that they are aswell. Infact, more evidence points to them being so... but not ALL of them...

In Jude 6 and 2 Peter (Verse forgotten ><) it says that they were cast into darkness (Tarteras) and chained up... but looking at the context that the verse is used as in the entire chapter, it's referring to the sexual immorality, aswell as the "Sons of God" or the Angels lust for the "Daughters of man" or human women. They slept with them and gave birth to the Nephilum (Also known as great warriors, here's the origin of Hercules and the Titans ) but Jude 6 only refers to the Angels that were sexually immoral... not all of them...God gave boundaries and they overstepped them.

Though the Bible says that 1/3rd of the Angels followed Lucifer, it also says that they were innumerable (All the angels that is... meaning there is a number that man doesn't know c_c)... So whatever fallen angels that remained, could quite possibly be the demons...

But hey, not like anyone can go to hell and interview someone and ask what happened XD

 

[quasicurus]

4. I have infact encountered 2 demons, face-to-face (In other words... I was about to preach a message for God and a demon revealed itself and tried to stop me by striking fear in me) DIDN'T WORK SUCKERS!!

You have seen demons?
When? How? Where?

 

[armothe]

Satan? Demons? Just try ignoring them instead of making a huge struggle out of every little setback.

 

[5stringJeff]

Not sure to begin with a person who already 'knows' the answers

I'm always challenged when I hear about a demon popping in for a chat with someone.

I know from personal experience that we spend too much time on prayers like binding up satan etc.. and not enough about asking for more of God's presence in our lives.
God is the one who needs the priority not demonic forces.
If demons really do exist then I don't believe they do half as much as we give them credit for.

Mankind is capable of enough evil by ourselves

This is an excellent post. While demons certainly do exist, spending too much time worrying about them and not enough time fellowshipping with God is determental to our walk with Christ. We are supposed to "fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith."

 

[BrotherAtArms]

You have seen demons?
When? How? Where?

When: It was 2002, around the end of the year.
How: With my eyes...
Where: In my room, in Senoia, Georgia.

This is an excellent post. While demons certainly do exist, spending too much time worrying about them and not enough time fellowshipping with God is determental to our walk with Christ. We are supposed to "fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith."

I completely agree with both you and craig_on_fire.
But would also like to add that, in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with learning about demons.
And no I'm not talking about how to do hexes and wicka or whatever... I'm talking about learning how to deal with them when they come against us.

It's inevitable to go through life not being tempted by sin, or satan.

That's why there is this verse:
Ephesians 6:11
Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.

This basically states that yes, you will be tempted.
That is why it is true that we must fix our eyes on Jesus and learn His ways, and adapt them to our everyday lives.

Also, the reason I don't find it wrong to learn about satan (or the enemy in general) is because the fact that Jesus Christ spoke more on hell than even heaven. And the fact that the Bible even mentions anything at all about the nephilum, evil spirits, satan, hell, or demons.
He does want us to know that there is an evil, so that also we can recognize it.

Also, I don't find it "worry" when one is "interested" in learning about them.
I'm saying this because for some odd reason, a lot of you have mistaken my curiousity in learning about them for fear of and worry of them.... This is not true, it's no different than someone wanting to learn more about the planets in the universe... it's not important to learn, but it's interesting ^^

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Isaiah 26:14 reads: "They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise." The original Hebrew word translated "deceased" here is the word "Rephaim." It would have saved a lot of misinterpretation if the translators had left the word as it was in the original. The verse actually reads: "Dead, they shall not live; Rephaim, they shall not rise." The Rephaim are generally understood to be one of the branches of the Nephilim, and God's Word makes it clear that they are to partake in no resurrection. But with humans it is different: all humans will be resurrected either to life or to damnation (John 5:28-29).

Here is the LXX which doesn't stress any particular race of being:

14 But the dead shall not see life, neither shall physicians by any means raise them up: therefore thou hast brought wrath upon them, and slain them, and hast taken away every male of them. Bring more evils upon them, O Lord;

It 's seems that Jewish rabbi's in 280 BC would have made it clear if that should have been translated as you say.

 

[BrotherAtArms]

what is LXX?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

what is LXX?

Alexander the Great wanted to unite the world under Greek culture. He died too soon and one of his successors in Egypt (Ptolomy) had the Hebrew bible translated into Greek (280 BC) so everyone could understand it. Alot of the New Testament quotes from the OT are from the LXX (Septuagint). If you notice i.e. Matt 13:14-15 Jesus quotes a different version of Isaiah 6:9,10 than the one you have from the Hebrew because He is quoting from the LXX. Most everyone in the first century was familiar with the LXX more than the Hebrew. Even Stephen preached from this version before he was stoned.

The first link is in English. The second you can see the greek words linked to Strongs.

http://www.ecmarsh.com/lxx/

http://www.studylight.org/isb/

 

[BrotherAtArms]

Very nice, I like what I see ^^

But is there a new testament within the LXX? Because I didn't see any books beyond Malechi (or atleast couldn't find any o0)

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Very nice, I like what I see ^^

But is there a new testament within the LXX? Because I didn't see any books beyond Malechi (or atleast couldn't find any o0)

No, because the NT did not exist in 280 B.C. I use the LXX to supplement my reading of the OT. There are some ancient Hebrew idioms that are difficult for us 21st cent English people to understand and the LXX sheds a little light towards a more western thought on passages.

For instance, the word "virgin" in Matt 1:23 is a quote from the LXX Is 7:14 "parthenose" a kin to the Greek virgin goddess Athena who lives in the Parthenon. The Hebrew version uses the word "alma" which literally means "young maiden". Many today like to misinterpret that to be any young woman even one who is sexually promiscuous. However, in ancient Israel, a woman who had sex before marriage was stoned so there was no idea of premarital sex like we have today. Bible interpretation must be done in the context of the culture at the time of the author. Therefore, the LXX shows us that this "alma" was literally a "virgin".

 

[linssue55]

Hi, I'm new, I am a Christian in the Church of God. I am a saved, born-again, believer of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and am in ministry.
I believe in Heaven and Hell, God, the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit.
I also believe in Satan, the fallen angels, and the evil spirits often known as Demons...

Now that you know where I stand as far as my beliefs, I can now get down to my point.

I've been doing a study on Demons, and sin. I've come to learn that Demons are in-fact the spirits of the dead, in which are whicked, evil men. (If you disagree with this, tell me so I can show you my sources)

But what I am interested in mostly is knowing my enemy. (Ofcourse though I do love to learn more about my Jesus )
As you see, I have named myself, "BrotherAtArms". I like to think of myself as a warrior against the forces of satan , the fallen angels that follow him, and the evil spirits who have fallen under his control.

So down to the point.. I am looking for answers to the following questions...


1. How can I recognize an attack from the enemy (The influence of an evil spirit).
2. How can I fight off the temptations to sin that has been in my life for over 10 years? (Such as addictions that I'm more than ready to break)
3. How can I discern when another person is facing an attack from the enemy and how can I best help that individual.

And this last one gets people sometimes wondering about me o_o But here it goes...
4. I have infact encountered 2 demons, face-to-face (In other words... I was about to preach a message for God and a demon revealed itself and tried to stop me by striking fear in me) DIDN'T WORK SUCKERS!!
But anyways... I've over-come my fear of demonic spirits, and I pose this question...
How is it possible for me to be able to see (when needed) evil spirits to understand their battle plan against me, or my partners in the ministry?
And a follow up.. IS it possible?

I know this is a lot of stuff, but for over 10 years the enemy has sent attack after attack, and I have over the past year learned much of evil spirits, their origin, and their territorial and speciality in how they work...

I appreciate any info., criticism, ANYTHING at all that you believe will help me further understand my enemy and enable me to counter their attacks.

A servant in Christ,
BrotherAtArms

Demons are FALLEN angels. In eternity past, AFTER the fall of Satan (the 5 "I wills) 1/3 of the angels took the side of Satan...then all became fallen angels, demons.

 

[BrotherAtArms]

Yeah, I learned that as a fact about 2 months ago Thanks for the input though