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Nice try sirYou know what the word "or" means, right?
So what you have there, is a defintion wich defines atheism as the DISBELIEF of the existance of gods or gods.
Just like I said. Atheism is about what you do NOT believe. It doesn't tell you anything about what IS believed.
See?
If your mom told you you were going to the fishery next week... You accepted it by faith.
Since you do not know God exits? And, others have been blessed to know so?
Its quite simple. You don't have faith in God.
But, you do have faith in other things.
If you continue on your chosen path? You will find out that you have become your own judge and executioner.
Really? Then I consider this god to be an immoral monster.Even Hitler could have been forced into obeisance to God if God wanted to.
If I and some others can get through the morons who make fools of themselves? That leaves your excuse at the door when its time for you have to face reality. No excuses. For every excuse an atheist gives, there will be an equally intelligent believer who faced the same obstacles. Those ones will be shown to leave that atheist to be without excuse.
God saves all kinds. He does not turn anyone away just because they lack common sense. For God knows once they are given their resurrection body, that they will have entered into a realm of ultra - super genius with the new brains they will be given. They will not remain stupid for eternity.
But they are not the same thing.
A disbelief, is not a belief.
A belief, is not a disbelief.
I accept science. But notice that much in these conversations involve intangible non-material aspects of reality. Such as consciousness and subjective experience and such. Yes, they may be hallucinations, but the conscious experience itself is non-material. It seems to be outside the domain of science; outside the material physical universe. "I think, therefore I am."How do you know it is real, if you can't have it validated by third parties?
Have you ever talked with an alien abductee? They also "know" what happened to them. They even pass lie detector tests.
The only part of your post that interested me was this. " It also takes faith to be an atheist and maybe even more faith than it does to follow Christ." What reasons, if any, can you give for saying that?Yes, this is an apologetics forum, which means that means it's a two way street when it comes to opposing viewpoints. Christianity and faith are certainly not off the table anymore than atheistic dogma. It is not only a forum where God's existence is disputed but also a forum whereby God is confirmed in the life of believers who have experienced Him and known His love.
1. Ah yes, recent in America if you count 1635 as recent
2. Yes communications and knowledge has increased greatly as prophesied.
- Dan 12:4 "But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase."
St. Peter also alluded to this period of human history
- 2Pe 3:3 Most importantly, I want to remind you that in the last days scoffers will come, mocking the truth and following after their own lusts saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation."
But although we are taught to expect great increases the statement is one of magnitude only and not something we haven't seen before; for a Solomon stated:And Jesus taught us that the age of Divine Mercy would not finalize until the Gospel has been brought to every ethnic tongue. 1988 years ago that was 12 disciples and a few others that had heard and received it in one tiny nation and ethnic origin. Today it is billions in every nation on earth and in over 4000 languages and ethnic origins. His Great Commission still requires that we go to thos who have not heard but we re nearing the end of that journey. By 2025 we will have put the Word of God into every single human dialect and that commandment will have been carried out. It will happen just as Jesus prophesied it would!
- Ecc 1:9 History merely repeats itself. It has all been done before. Nothing under the sun is truly new.
- Mat 24:12-14 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall grow cold but they who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. - Jesus Christ AD 30.
- Mat 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, (ethne') baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
It is illogical to assume most atheists are objective or that even many people are objective. I think I've yet to meet a person who was 100% objective. The synonyms for objectivity are impartiality, absence of bias, absence of prejudice, fairness, fair-mindedness, neutrality, evenhandedness, justice, open-mindedness, disinterest, detachment, dispassion, neutrality. Though you seem to flatter yourself and the adherents of your worldview I highly doubt those are truly characteristics that describe you or other atheists in general. It also takes faith to be an atheist and maybe even more faith than it does to follow Christ.
Well it certainly took you long enough to get around to it but congratulations I guess in digging up an opposing viewYes, I quoted a recent study from Harvard and you quoted something from a dozen years ago. I guess most of the medical community didn't get the email that claims to be a slam dunk ha ha.
Tyler VanderWeele: Religion and Health in Europe
There are still many active research grants out studying the phenomena and sponsored by major medical universities across America and the world. There appears a wealth of research that would confirm the positive aspects but like any scientific white papers and journals there is no doubt going to be conflict and differences of opinions. We're still debating many things in medicine, subatomic particles, astronomical phenomena, etc, Why then should faith and healing from a secular study be any different? I would expect some opposing views but was merely making the point you had yet to provide any. We thank you your google search finally found one sir.
I'm not sure I understand how you draw the conclusion that my Christianity is vacuous. Maybe if you try to explain that a little better I might be able to respond to the fair-minded, neutral, evenhandedness, justice, disinterested detachment, and dispassionate accusation.
I don't have "faith", period.
That kind of faith is not a good thing. It's gullibility.
He knows that.Correct, I don't believe your god/s exist.
You’re welcome.He knows that.
Your thinking proves one thing. God succeeded in creating free will. You are proof.
But, you still have a chance. You were born.
God succeeded in creating a life that is not pre-programmed in its volition. You are providing that evidence.
For that, I say thanks.
He doesn’t interfere with our volition, but he sends us to hell for unbelief. Explain to me again how he doesn’t interfere with our free will?
Hell, like your god, doesn’t exist.The unbelief is only symptomatic.
They go to hell because the hate God. Not simply because of unbelief in itself. Hatred.
Hell (burning up) is what Satan (Lucifer) originally desired of the Lord. (It can be explained for any believers here who would like to hear why.)
As a result of Satan judging the Lord in hatred? The Lord in turn judged Satan in the same way. Satan was judged as Satan had judged the Lord. Burning up! Its really justice. (Lucifer used to be a great light bearer)
People who end up there are going to a place prepared for Satan and his angels. It was not created originally for man.
Hell will serve as a constant reminder to those there, what they would have desired for those who love God(if they could only have the power. ) Such intensity for power will be granted in eternity only to those whom God trusts.
If you credit your god as being omniscient, then how can there be free will? If your god is truly omniscient then it knows who will die a believer and who will not. It seems a pointless exercise for your god to tell people that depending on how they live their lives they will either go to heaven or go to hell when it already knows the fate of everyone, even the fate of those still to be born.He knows that.
Your thinking proves one thing. God succeeded in creating free will. You are proof.
But, you still have a chance. You were born.
God succeeded in creating a life that is not pre-programmed in its volition. You are providing that evidence.
For that, I say thanks.
If you credit your god as being omniscient, then how can there be free will? If your god is truly omniscient then it knows who will die a believer and who will not. It seems a pointless exercise for your god to tell people that depending on how they live their lives they will either go to heaven or go to hell when it already knows the fate of everyone, even the fate of those still to be born.
Parents do not always know how a child will react to things. You bring your children up to the best of your ability, but sometimes even the most responsible of parents have children who go off the rails.First off. Its not how you live your life that determines if you are going to go to heaven or hell. Some people live like hell and will go to heaven, and some people act morally superior, and will be going to hell. You're not saved from hell by being morally good, though many who believe in Christ have chosen to be morally good.
How does God knowing how you will freely choose make you not have free will to choose? How? When a parent can plainly see how a child is going to react in a matter? Does the parents knowing this, hinder the child's free will to choose? How?
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