The definition of sin

[GenemZ]

Parents do not always know how a child will react to things.

I was speaking of when parents can. And, they do.

There are times when parents just know what a child will do. That does not nullify that child's free will.

 

[GenemZ]

An omniscient creator would know from the beginning of mankind that through the ages billions of people would be non-believers and therefore destined to suffer eternal torment.

What if God has revealed that He has the ability to step outside of His omniscience? And, is able to choose to decide certain things without having foreknowledge? Temporarily suspend His ability?

He revealed that ability through Jesus Christ. For Jesus was God who made Himself to become as a man. Jesus was not omniscient while he had to remain as a man. That is why he needed to depend upon the Father and Holy Spirit for his every need. After he died in our place he no longer needed to remain as a man... He then returned to Heaven to resume his previous position in power.

Don't believe it. Yet, it explains it.

 

[Par5]

What if God has revealed that He has the ability to step outside of His omniscience? And, is able to choose to decide certain things without having foreknowledge? Temporarily suspend His ability?

He revealed that ability through Jesus Christ. For Jesus was God who made Himself to become as a man. Jesus was not omniscient while he had to remain as a man. That is why he needed to depend upon the Father and Holy Spirit for his every need. After he died in our place he no longer needed to remain as a man... He then returned to Heaven to resume his previous position in power.

Don't believe it. Yet, it explains it.

If your god steps out from its omniscience, then in order to have a level playing field it would have to step out from its omniscience for every human being that ever lived and for those yet to live. As the future is shaped by the things human beings do it would be strange if an omniscient being made that omniscience redundant.
As for the death of Jesus, well he didn't really die did he. Crucifixion was a very nasty way to die, but it was just the same for the thousands of others that the Romans crucified, the difference being that those thousands of others didn't come back to life.
Anyway, I find the idea of a human sacrifice extremely gross and in the case of Jesus it wasn't really a sacrifice as he was good as new in a few days if you believe the story that is.
Many of your American military have lost their lives over the years serving their country. To me, theirs was a real sacrifice. No one came to the home of their loved ones and said sorry, but your son/husband has been killed, but not to worry, he will be good as new in a couple of days.

 

[GenemZ]

If your god steps out from its omniscience, then in order to have a level playing field it would have to step out from its omniscience for every human being that ever lived and for those yet to live. As the future is shaped by the things human beings do it would be strange if an omniscient being made that omniscience redundant.
As for the death of Jesus, well he didn't really die did he. Crucifixion was a very nasty way to die, but it was just the same for the thousands of others that the Romans crucified, the difference being that those thousands of others didn't come back to life.
Anyway, I find the idea of a human sacrifice extremely gross and in the case of Jesus it wasn't really a sacrifice as he was good as new in a few days if you believe the story that is.
Many of your American military have lost their lives over the years serving their country. To me, theirs was a real sacrifice. No one came to the home of their loved ones and said sorry, but your son/husband has been killed, but not to worry, he will be good as new in a couple of days.

Thanks for you opinion...

 

[Par5]

Thanks for you opinion...

You're welcome.

 

[DogmaHunter]

For you it would be.

Trouble is that when not too bright people become regenerate they are gullible and stupid in what they will accept to believe. They will be warned, but will refuse. They are not to be our model as to how a believer is to think.

The Bible warns against such ones in various passage. But, you? You use them as your excuse for not having to think too deeply. To keep it on the surface only.

"I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who
cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary
to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For
such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own
emotions. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds
of unsuspecting people.' Rom 16:17-18
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So.. Those are the ones you choose for making your excuse?

Others who are saved got by them, and found satisfying sound thinking in Christ in spite of them. These ones leave you are without excuse sir.

There will be no excuse for anyone when its all over. Right now you are free to feed off of your own style of delusion. Its a world of one delusion condemning another delusion.

Be that as it may.. there are those who will seek, persevere, and find truth. Find and be stabilized in the midst of the confusion caused by conflicts around them inflicted by the dogmatic ignorance spewing from opposing sides which are always arguing around them.

"Life with all its complexity and interdependent function just appeared out from nothing?.. without a higher intelligence guiding the process?" Stupidity never had it so good!

"This all just happened by chance!" (talk about gullible)

Gullibility is no respecter of persons. Anyone is welcome.

Sorry, but you are not going to convince me of your religion by "scaring" me into it, or by using circular reasoning by pointing at your religion in an attempt to support your religion.

The "religious faith" you are asking of me, is literally to "believe in things unseen". As in: without evidence.

I can't do that. That, is gullibility.

I require actual reasons for accepting something as correct.
Threats, "dreams", "revelations" and "visions" will not cut it.

 

[DogmaHunter]

He knows that.

Your thinking proves one thing. God succeeded in creating free will. You are proof.

Then your disbelief of Zeus, is equal proof of Zeus existing.

But, you still have a chance. You were born.

God succeeded in creating a life that is not pre-programmed in its volition. You are providing that evidence.

For that, I say thanks.

uhu...

in other words: "heads I win, tails you lose".

 

[DogmaHunter]

The unbelief is only symptomatic.

They go to hell because the hate God. Not simply because of unbelief in itself. Hatred.

Hell (burning up) is what Satan (Lucifer) originally desired of the Lord. (It can be explained for any believers here who would like to hear why.)

As a result of Satan judging the Lord in hatred? The Lord in turn judged Satan in the same way. Satan was judged as Satan had judged the Lord. Burning up! Its really justice. (Lucifer used to be a great light bearer)

People who end up there are going to a place prepared for Satan and his angels. It was not created originally for man.

Hell will serve as a constant reminder to those there, what they would have desired for those who love God(if they could only have the power. ) Such intensity for power will be granted in eternity only to those whom God trusts.

How do you "hate" something that you don't even believe to be real?

For example, do you "hate" Zeus, the loch ness monster, santa claus, tooth fairies,...?
Or do you simply not believe that they exist?