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The Deception of Evolution and the Fossil Sequence

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lifepsyop

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That goes without saying. If they were only going on the fossils, Evolutionists would undoubtedly interpret varied dog skulls as belonging to distinct species. They would view the different morphology as being the result of novel traits nature selected for, when in actuality it is only different expression patterns of genetic traits that already existed in all of the dogs to begin with. Evolutionists would make illustrations showing the "transition" of how one dog-form "evolved" into another and condemn those anti-science heretics who questioned it.

The finches are almost laughable in how non-evolutionary they turned out to be. There was another study on them published recently. They are simply going through cyclic changes, populations regularly separate and then regularly come back together again. The beak morphology is simply a variation in expression levels that were already present in all the finches to begin with. There is not even a shred of evidence that they are following an evolutionary trajectory away towards anything else. And THIS is supposed to be one of the evolutionists' iconic examples of their theory.
 
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You do realize that it was once thought that the evolution of the whale had at least 1/2 a million years to evolve and Scientists claimed that it was right on in a time frame for the evolutionary changes exhibited in the progression of the whale. that was until a fossil was found that moved that time frame to around 5 million years. According to evolutionary changes and the population and the rate of mutations it is a very very short period of time.
 
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No, it varies depending on selection pressures and generation time. High selection pressures and short generation time will make evolution go faster, while low selection pressures and long generation times make it go slower.
 
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If evidence showed that the sun went around the earth, then the theory of heliocentricity wouldn't work. But a hypothetical "what if" wherein the sun orbits the earth doesn't render heliocentricity false. The sun would actually have to circle the earth for heliocentricity to be false, and since it doesn't, then this thought game is silly.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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It's more than a "what if" exercise because the actual plastic ad-hoc nature of the evolutionary creation story is demonstrated. Evolution, in principle, makes very little prediction and has very little criteria concerning the nature of the fossil record. The developing theory simply accommodated the fossil pattern that was already present, as it could have accommodated countless other fossil patterns.
 
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Ha! Defeated by wall of text.
 
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Here is another great example of people trying so hard to keep their faith alive, it's a religious death rattle. From trying to disprove evolution, denying climate change because a god is the only one that has the power to destroy the planet, to caring way, way too much about homosexuals, trying to bring about the end of times in Dabiq (ISIS). It's all a religious death rattle, you can only hang on for so long before you have to just let go. I let go a long, long time ago. And with a death rattle, death follows, the death of ancient beliefs and superstitions.
 
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I let go a long, long time ago.

Of what?

You didn't say.

If it was Christianity, are you saying you once:
  1. were enlightened
  2. tasted of the heavenly gift
  3. made a partaker of the Holy Ghost
  4. tasted the good word of God
  5. tasted the powers of the world to come
... and gave it all up for something else?

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
 
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When I was young I believed in god (Christian god), and then through critical thinking it all disintegrated. By about 13 or 14 years old I realized how inconsistent, ridiculous and cruel it all was. And now I just watch the cruelty, and bigotry done by the ones who still believe it and shake my head.
 
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It's more than a "what if" exercise because the actual plastic ad-hoc nature of the evolutionary creation story is demonstrated.

But it really isn't more than a "what if" excercise. Your entire post was a series of scenarios you concocted and your assumptions about how scientists would react. You haven't demonstrated anything, you've just produced a wall of text in which you assert without any supporting examples what you think would happen in various hypothetical scenarios.

If you could provide some examples of scientists coming up with one lineage and then with equal facility coming up with the exact opposite of that lineage, then you would have demonstrated your point. Currently you've just rehashed your old argument that evolutionary theory would just accommodate anything.

I challenge you to provide any actual evidence for your hypotheticals.
 
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That's the rub - everything we see around us and every fossil in the fossil record is exactly the same with bu the minor variation capable within the genome. Mutations occur by transcription errors - re-writing what already exists into a different combination than before - it NEVER writes a new genome from what does not exist. The biggest fraud perpetuated is telling people that life went from simple to more complex - when the only thing we know from genetics is rearrangement of what already exists or loss of what existed, or in a gene becoming dominant or recessive. There has never been even the slightest hint of a new genome being capable of being formed where none existed previously.
 
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So we can then assume that E coli after billions of generations and billions of mutations never evolve into another species and falsify the theory - since after all these billions of mutations and generations - they are still E coli.
 
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Guy, the fossil record is evidence of evolution. If the fossil record was different then the theory would be different. If there was a fossil record that was inconsistent with common descent then there would be no theory of common descent.
I could try to explain it, but I'd rather let an authority. Try this link;
Respectfully,
Kev
 
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Except evolutionists are trying to insist something the evidence does not show. Basically they are asserting (in your analogy) that the sun revolves around the earth - despite the evidence the earth revolves around the sun.

They are asserting one creatures mutates into another - despite every single fossil ever found - from the oldest fossil of that species to the youngest fossil of that species - are one and the same.
 
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No, let's get the facts straight. I deny climate change being man-made - since every single planet in the solar system also underwent climate change during this time frame. But as long as you continue to ignore 99% of the evidence - you will always come to the wrong conclusions.

The winds of Venus increased:

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/S...ss/The_fast_winds_of_Venus_are_getting_faster

Mars heated up:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/research/2007/marswarming.html

Jupiter lost a stripe:

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/20may_loststripe/

And gained a spot:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080523-jupiter-spot-photo.html

And Saturn erupted with a huge storm heat spike:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...turn-space-storm-burp-vortex-science-cassini/

So again, as long as we ignore the rest of the solar system, then and only then can we blame a natural occurrence on man.
 
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What type of c02 has increased significantly on Earth since the industrial revolution? And when you find that answer, where does that c02 come from?

PS. All planets undergo climate change, could have a positive or negative impact, so what? If a planet that I live on is undergoing a significant climate change, that will negatively impact life on Earth, I'm concerned.
 
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You made a reasoned and logical conclusion that affects the rest of your eternity at 13 or 14? If I still believed what I believed when I was 13 or 14 I would cringe at what I might be like today.
 
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