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Orthodox Prayer of Absolution (Greek form) said:
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Orthodox Prayer of Absolution (Greek form) said:My spiritual child, [Name], who have confessed to my humble person, I, humble and a sinner, have not power on earth to forgive sins, but God alone; but through that divinely spoken word which came to the Apostles after the Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, saying, Whosoever sins you forgive are forgiven, and whosoever sins you retain are retained, we are emboldened to say: Whatsoever you have said to my humble person, and whatsoever you have failed to say, whether through ignorance or forgetfulness, whatever it may be, may God forgive you in this world and in that which is to come.
May God Who pardoned David through Nathan the Prophet when he confessed his sins, and Peter weeping bitterly for his denial, and the sinful woman weeping at His feet, and the publican and the prodigal son; May that same God forgive you all things, through me a sinner, both in this world and in the world to come, and set you uncondemned before His terrible Judgment Seat. (In the name + of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.) Have no further care for the sins which you have confessed, depart in peace.
That is not what John 22 says. Yes, it is through the power of God, but the priest does forgive sins.Priests do not forgive. We proclaim God's forgiveness. The church entrusts to us the responsibility of doing so with the authority of the church behind it, but it is not something we do or make happen.
Would you consider that instruction from Christ to the 12 apostles in John 20:23 part of the Great Commission as well?
Many churches, when they teach that all of us are also to fulfill the Great Commission, their favorite version being the one found in Matthew 28, don't seem to teach that we have the power to forgive sins as well.
Would you agree?
I'm a bit hesitant to say that the Great Commission was given to all believers. Matthew states, "Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go." So Jesus was only speaking to the disciples, not to all of His followers.
Yes, "I absolve you," in the sense that I pronounce the absolution. But I do not make it happen; I am announcing what God has already done.That is not what John 22 says. Yes, it is through the power of God, but the priest does forgive sins.
Words of Absolution:
God, the Father of mercies,
through the death and resurrection of his Son
has reconciled the world to himself
and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins;
through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace,
and I absolve you from your sins
in the name of the Father, [sign of the cross] and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit Amen
Jn 22. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and says to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost. 23 Whosoever sins you remit, they are remitted to them; and whose soever sins you retain, they are retained.
So then "hate your mother and father" in Matt 10 should be isolated from all other Bible texts about loving our neighbor as ourselves as in Matt 22?? in your POV?
No text says 'The apostles' rather it is always "you" and it is in fact "each one of you" in Matt 18 just as in Matt 6 "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors". There is never a "just the Apostles" qualifier
That is a reference to the church discipline he called the church to exercise in 1 Cor 5 -- disfellowshiping someone who was in open sin - to try and convince them to repent and return. It was a corporate action by the entire church to cast that person out.
2 Cor 2:5 But if anyone has caused sorrow, he has caused sorrow not for me, but in some degree—not to say too much—for all of you. 6 Sufficient for such a person is this punishment which was imposed by the majority, 7 so that on the other hand, you should rather forgive and comfort him, otherwise such a person might be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow. 8 Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love for him. 9 For to this end I also wrote, so that I might put you to the test, whether you are obedient in all things. 10 But one whom you forgive anything, I also forgive; for indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, I did so for your sakes in the presence of Christ, 11 so that no advantage would be taken of us by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his schemes.
He calls for the entire church to forgive the repentant offender
2 Cor 7:8 For though I caused you sorrow by my letter, I do not regret it; though I did regret it—for I see that that letter caused you sorrow, though only for a while— 9 I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. 11 For behold what earnestness this very thing, this godly sorrow, has produced in you: what vindication of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what longing, what zeal, what punishment of wrong! In everything you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent in the matter. 12 So although I wrote to you, it was not for the sake of the offender nor for the sake of the one offended, but that your earnestness in our behalf might be made known to you in the sight of God. 13 Because of this, we have been comforted.
It says "he breathed on them" and said... He breathed on the apostles. He did not breathe on me, he did not breathe on you. He breathed on the apostles and gave them that authority. And it is an authority bishops and priests have exercised throughout the history of Christianity. Because your later tradition takes some issue with it does not change it.
Has anyone asserted that forgiving is the exclusive activity of priests, pastors, or apostles?Matt 18 informs us that the matter is not confined to priests/pastors/apostles.
Interesting that you observe that about John 20:23.Ahh, that particular instruction in the Great Commission that only the Catholics recognized.
Perhaps it is more than just some protestant groups that do not recognise it.All of Christianity recognizes it. It's only some protestant groups that don't.
It really is a great pity that Martin Luther separated from the Catholic Church. So much trouble has come of it. Yet, history is played out according to God's secret purposes and even the troubles that arose must be received by the faithful as somehow salutary.Uh no, Anglicans, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrians, Methodists, Moravians, Baptists, Reformed Presbyterian and Congregationalists all recognize this, which is indicated by the confiteors in their liturgy, and in the case of Lutherans, not only do Lutherans recognize it, but Martin Luther considered that confession might constitute a third sacrament in addition to the usual two recognized Protestant sacraments of Baptism and the Eucharist.
Absolution is something that the minister of the sacrament does, but it is done in the person of Christ which is to say it is done by his authority in his name and as a mercy from God.Priests do not forgive. We proclaim God's forgiveness. The church entrusts to us the responsibility of doing so with the authority of the church behind it, but it is not something we do or make happen.
The absolution is spoken by the priest acting in the person of Christ by his authority as a mercy to the soul who has confessed. It is fair to view this as a work of God through the office and ministry of the priest who acts on behalf of the Church as God's Church.That is not what John 22 says. Yes, it is through the power of God, but the priest does forgive sins.
Words of Absolution:
God, the Father of mercies,
through the death and resurrection of his Son
has reconciled the world to himself
and sent the Holy Spirit among us for the forgiveness of sins;
through the ministry of the Church may God give you pardon and peace,
and I absolve you from your sins
in the name of the Father, [sign of the cross] and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit Amen
Jn 22. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and says to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost. 23 Whosoever sins you remit, they are remitted to them; and whose soever sins you retain, they are retained.
hmmm seems like we have seen that a time or two.Has anyone asserted that forgiving is the exclusive activity of priests, pastors, or apostles?
No word game here pleaseYes, "I absolve you," in the sense that I pronounce the absolution. But I do not make it happen; I am announcing what God has already done.
That is what John 20:23 says, where the tense of the verb, which is a perfect passive indicative, if translated accurately into English, would be rendered, "if you forgive the sins of any, they will have been forgiven."
Of course it is through Christ. However, that does not diminish the power granted to the priest to forgive or retain.The absolution is spoken by the priest acting in the person of Christ by his authority as a mercy to the soul who has confessed. It is fair to view this as a work of God through the office and ministry of the priest who acts on behalf of the Church as God's Church.
Of course it is through Christ. However, that does not diminish the power granted to the priest to forgive or retain.
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