The dead can be saved?

[Tellyontellyon]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

 

[Tolworth John]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

Why does a Buddhist want Christian salvation?

Try reading the passage in different translation as it helps in understanding it.

I understand it to mean those who were disobedient long ago and were imprisoned as a result.
So if Jesus preached to those spirits it does not mean that he will preach to your spirit after you've died.
One reason is you have heard the gospel, there is no need to tell it to you again.
Another reason is as a Buddhist you would only rejected.
If you are going to respond you will respond in your life.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

Yes this is called the Harrowing of Hell and is mentioned in the Creeds by acknowledging Christ "descended into Hell".


Harrowing of Hell - Wikipedia


And is depicted in iconography.

In Judaism the foundational belief was "The bosom of Abraham" where the righteous dead like Abraham where the patriarchs, prophets and other righteous Jews resided (a special place in Sheol set apart for believing Jews). Jesus preached to the Jews of the old Testament so they could accept him and go to heaven. (It is possible this might have extended to other gentiles who followed their conscience as far as living but never had the opportunity to be in covenant with God. A very controversial idea etc. but possible saint Paul speaks about people being judged by their conscience etc. in one epistle)


The verse also I believe addresses "the wicked" angels that rebelled against God. In this case, Christ preaching to them was not to liberate them from captivity but simply to tell them that he defeated them.

 

[chevyontheriver]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

Not so much. Jewish eschatology was more complicated than a simple 'heaven or hell' understanding Protestants have today. A bit closer to the Catholic understanding of 'heaven, purgatory, and hell'. You live once, make your decision, and live with it for all eternity. Choose wisely.

 

[Aussie Pete]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

No. Jesus rose from the dead, was seen by hundreds of people and the Church has been preaching the gospel since. (Hebrews 9:27)

 

[Lost4words]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

As the Gospel has been preached and we have heard it, i see no reason for us to be visited and preached it again when we die. I believe Jesus preached it to those who did not get the chance to hear it as they had passed before He came into the world.

Good to see you enquiring.

God bless you

 

[disciple Clint]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

That is not correct, this may help you in understanding the passage. 1 Peter 3:19 Commentaries: in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison,

 

[eleos1954]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

He came to set the captives free and opening the prison to them that are bound. Isaiah 61:1.

So it’s simply saying that part of the work of Christ was to try to save people, even during the time of Noah, through the same Spirit He tried to save those people whose spirits were imprisoned by the devil. He’s not talking about how their ghosts were in hell.

No ... there isn't a 2nd chance for salvation

The doctrine teaching there is a second chance is a dangerous teaching. The Bible says ‘It’s appointed unto man once to die and after that the judgment.’ (Hebrews 9:27) You can’t die, and then while you’re in hell (dormant - resting in the grave) hope you can get Jesus to come preach to you. That’s a very dangerous doctrine.

 

[1watchman]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

No! There is NO 'second chance' after death. This, as most serious Bible teachers know, is taken out of context. One needs to read "all the counsel of God" as God tells us. The Lord Jesus descended after His death to "Hades" ---the holding place adjacent to "Hell" ---"lake of fire", where there was a place called "Abraham's bosom" ---in comfort where the OT faithful saints went when they died. A "great gulf fixed" (note Luke 5:29; etc.) separated them from "outer darkness" where the lost souls go. Later when Jesus visited there after His resurrection (note 1 Peter 3:19-20 as mentioned already), He "took captivity captive" ---meaning He took the OT saints there with Him up to Heaven. All LOST souls in the OT and in the NT go to "outer darkness" place to await the day when God casts ALL lost souls into the "lake of fire" with Satan, as shown in Revelation. I hope this helps you. I can discuss this privately if you wish to talk further, friend.

 

[Sketcher]

1) Those verses are talking about a subset of people - those who were disobedient to God in the days of Noah. We therefore don't know if it extends to others, or not.
2) The days of Noah were before the coming of Jesus Christ. We are about 2000 years after the coming of Jesus Christ today.
3) Since the days of Noah were well before the coming of Jesus Christ, there is no way that those disobedient souls could have heard of Jesus Christ. Many unbelievers today have heard of Jesus Christ.

At best, it's a "maybe" that people who have never heard of Jesus in life would get a chance to accept him or reject him after death, but that is not solid enough for anyone to count on. If that turns out to be the case, great, I wouldn't be completely surprised, but I can't assume that unbelievers today will have that chance, especially if they have rejected Christianity.

 

[Tellyontellyon]

A surprisingly wide range of answers!

 

[Par5]

A surprisingly wide range of answers!

Yes indeed, many answers, but before you accept any of what has been said I suggest you ask that verifiable proof be provided for what has been said. I would also suggest not to accept, "It says so in the bible." as proof.

 

[1watchman]

Yes, "search the Scriptures"; and be "rightly dividing the Word of Truth", as God says.

 

[1watchman]

1) Those verses are talking about a subset of people - those who were disobedient to God in the days of Noah. We therefore don't know if it extends to others, or not.
2) The days of Noah were before the coming of Jesus Christ. We are about 2000 years after the coming of Jesus Christ today.
3) Since the days of Noah were well before the coming of Jesus Christ, there is no way that those disobedient souls could have heard of Jesus Christ. Many unbelievers today have heard of Jesus Christ.

At best, it's a "maybe" that people who have never heard of Jesus in life would get a chance to accept him or reject him after death, but that is not solid enough for anyone to count on. If that turns out to be the case, great, I wouldn't be completely surprised, but I can't assume that unbelievers today will have that chance, especially if they have rejected Christianity.

Yes, it would seem to be 'great' perhaps. My understanding of this, friend, is that the generation before Noah was a rejected people and destroyed as totally rejecting the Creator-God. Noah began a NEW people on earth before God. All promises of God are with the new people, and up to our present (last days) for mankind. I am not disagreeing with any thoughts here, but setting forth what Scripture for this age in the NEW world from Noah shows. I won't speculate on what might have been if God had done something not revealed us, but only what our Holy Bible states. I hope we can all agree to that much.

 

[ViaCrucis]

1 Peter 3:19-20.

“By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”.

So Jesus preached to people who were already dead... the ones that died in the flood... Will we all get a second chance to be saved after we are dead?

Some have occasionally speculated on it, but there's just nothing we can know one way or the other.

This passage, specifically, is generally understood in the context of the Harrowing of Hell.

Harrowing of Hell - Wikipedia

-CryptoLutheran