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Not what I said.
Concession accepted.
Let me help you out:
EpicScore said: ↑
Creation Ministries, especially, has always been careful to distinguish operational science and historical science.pitabread said: ↑
That's a bogus distinction though. This just reinforces the notion that creationist organizations are peddling misinformation about science.
This is misinformation.
You said:
How is it bogus or misinfo?
SO, it has everything to do with what you said.
This is what you said:
But as for that things were created, see Bl. John Dun Scotus', as for how things came into being in time,
If you don't mean what you said perhaps you could explain what you did mean.
OB
so I said for evidence that things were created see Bl. John Dun Scotus, which refers to God creating things.
I said nothing concerning whether or not creationism or evolution was true, I was asking Pitabread why he thought a distinction was bogus or misinfo, and he answered. I have no idea how asking for evidence for one or the other has anything to do with that, but go ahead. God bless.
Evidence that things were created by God is the same as evidence for Creationism since Creationism alleges that God created everything (in six days). Evolution, on the other hand, only refers to the development of various lifeforms through genetic change combined with natural selection. Evolution only deals with a part of Creationism. The remainder is connected with issues like the age and origin of the Universe (i.e. the 'Big Bang') and the concept of abiogenesis (life emerging from non-living chemical processes).
You appear to be confused by this.
OB
I am not confused unless my use of terms is faulty which I learned. Creation = God making all things, however this was made. Creationism = a specific interpretation of how this was done (six days, young Earth maybe, etc). Evolution = a specific interpretation of how this was done concerning lifeforms as you said.
There are theistic evolutionists who hold that God made all things but not how creationists do (a la Ken Ham). This is why I distinguish between God making all things and how things came into being in time (people have varying ideas about this). To prove that God made all things is to me just part of proving God's existence, hence the reference to Bl. John Dun Scotus. It does not say how this was done.
As to how it was done I have no idea and am studying, which was all I said to the other guy. I have bits and pieces of knowledge from my studies but nothing firm enough or whole enough to hold definitely Creationism (a la Ken Ham, or someone else) or to the theory of evolution.
Can I respectfully suggest that you gain a little more knowledge about Creationism and things like the Big Bang, Abiogenesis and Evolution to assist yourself in these discussions.
It's on the list, although I am not a creationist (unless all Christians count as some version of it). Thank you and God bless.
No - Christian does not equal Creationist and Atheist does not equal evolutionist.
There are many Christians on CF, and out in real life, who are quite comfortable with evolution.
You might like to visit Biologos for a Christian interpretation of things evolutionary. The sight is run by qualified (Christian) scientists and has an excellent reputation.
BioLogos - God's Word. God's World. - BioLogos
OB
Hi there is a documentary called the report from Iron Mountain or perhaps the Iron Mountain report which was made in the early 80's based on a 1960's summit that came together to strategize a plan of how to implement a global government. The findings of this summit determined governments exist to protect people from a common threat. The theorized that the weather and environment were the best places to create real or imagined common threats that would rationalize a global government effort against the common threat.
Now climate models over long periods of time show ice ages over the earth and also great green times when the whole world was a green lush climate. These histories show extreme shifts in global weather apart from man made emissions are normal and part of earths history.
I can look to others who warned about what the coming global agenda is who have accurately predicted many things. Look up the 45 goals of teh communist party and see when they were published and look at the list and you can see most of the objectives are now achieved and at the time written no one believed the threat. So the same projections now made by the likes of the World Economic Forum and teh UN are tipping their hands and these guys are not benevolent. This will be the worst period of human suffering in human history. when the US dollar goes into hyperinflation what do you think comes next? The reset is coming and it is predicted in the Bible you can believe the experts in the white suites or listen to Jesus who said do not be deceived.
These same scientist who are trying to use their version of the facts are also on board with the LGTBQ agenda which is completely contradictory to science as Male and Female are distinct in their biology. Now this is the spiritual foundation of the science you want to follow and lets not talk about the chemtrailing of the planet which can be proven by well water samples and soils samples to prove that aluminum barium and struatium and other metallic compounds have been released intentionally into the atmosphere and then into the soil and water. These factors are not investigated by the media and I have seen the spike in the samples and the patent applications that note chemtrails can be used as weapons systems and climate control. So is it the carbon we need to shut down or perhaps look into what those planes are spraying in the sky all over the planet.
You live in Canada which is all in with Trudeau on the global reset agenda. The Bible is clear a one world government with one head and 10 kings is in place during the tribulation. Canada will soon be locking up its own citizens who refuse the coming mandates. The current events are arcing directly over the prescribed prophetic path. Jesus noted that many would be deceived at this time and Dan 8 notes sinister schemes will be in operation as well as psalm 2 talking about the nations taking counsel against the LORD and His annointed also at the time the kingdom comes. Since you are agnostic I assume you are largely ignorant of Bible prophecy and the Bible prophecy describes the same thing as the great reset which you dismiss as a conspiracy theory. How do you think the world would handle it if the US dollar goes into hyperinflation? Do you think it is possible for the worlds reserve currency to collapse and it not effect all the nations? Since all nations are using fiat money that is backed by nothing this is what the Bible describes to come.Conspiracy theory forum is over there --> Conspiracy Theories
You live in Canada which is all in with Trudeau on the global reset agenda. The Bible is clear a one world government with one head and 10 kings is in place during the tribulation. Canada will soon be locking up its own citizens who refuse the coming mandates. The current events are arcing directly over the prescribed prophetic path. Jesus noted that many would be deceived at this time and Dan 8 notes sinister schemes will be in operation as well as psalm 2 talking about the nations taking counsel against the LORD and His annointed also at the time the kingdom comes. Since you are agnostic I assume you are largely ignorant of Bible prophecy and the Bible prophecy describes the same thing as the great reset which you dismiss as a conspiracy theory. How do you think the world would handle it if the US dollar goes into hyperinflation? Do you think it is possible for the worlds reserve currency to collapse and it not effect all the nations? Since all nations are using fiat money that is backed by nothing this is what the Bible describes to come.
Rev 6
1 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals;[fn] and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.”[fn] 4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[fn] of wheat for a denarius,[fn] and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”
7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
My answers could be both in economics as well as eschotology. These things are coming upon the earth and are about here. Look up teh great reset and try to understand what the changes will be and then come back and discuss what you think.
You live in Canada which is all in with Trudeau on the global reset agenda. The Bible is clear a one world government with one head and 10 kings is in place during the tribulation. Canada will soon be locking up its own citizens who refuse the coming mandates. The current events are arcing directly over the prescribed prophetic path. Jesus noted that many would be deceived at this time and Dan 8 notes sinister schemes will be in operation as well as psalm 2 talking about the nations taking counsel against the LORD and His annointed also at the time the kingdom comes. Since you are agnostic I assume you are largely ignorant of Bible prophecy and the Bible prophecy describes the same thing as the great reset which you dismiss as a conspiracy theory. How do you think the world would handle it if the US dollar goes into hyperinflation? Do you think it is possible for the worlds reserve currency to collapse and it not effect all the nations? Since all nations are using fiat money that is backed by nothing this is what the Bible describes to come.
Rev 6
1 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals;[fn] and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.”[fn] 4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.
5 When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart[fn] of wheat for a denarius,[fn] and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”
7 When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” 8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.
My answers could be both in economics as well as eschotology. These things are coming upon the earth and are about here. Look up teh great reset and try to understand what the changes will be and then come back and discuss what you think.
A single F-35 costs the taxpayers ~78 million dollars. They were behind schedule and do not perform as advertised. Maintenance costs appear to be 50% more than had been planned for, and may become unsustainably expensive in the next 15 years. And that is just one of the costly weapons systems that Congress has no problem footing the bill for - with your tax money, that is. We shell out more than 3 times what China does on defense, and more than the next 17 countries combined - all of which offer their citizens universal health care of some sort.
You OK with that?
Oh. I've mentioned that the military should be defunded in favor of healthcare development.
OK, well then surely you can provide links to these to the relevant publications of SCIENTISTS AND EXPERTS, DOCTORS IN THAT PARTICULAR FIELD and then explain to us all why what they claim is correct.
Funny p here you are deferring to SCIENTISTS AND EXPERTS... IN THAT PARTICULAR FIELD whereas you reject out of hand SCIENTISTS AND EXPERTS...IN THAT PARTICULAR FIELD when it comes to things like evolution.
Funny how cognitive bias works.
It should have been obvious - Epic claimed 'historical science' relies on testimony and memoirs and the like, whereas 'operational science' relies on experiments and such. It was a direct question re: that distinction, but whatever.
Do that and there won't even be time to start
on "health care development"
What empirical evidence is there for creation?
What memoirs are used to support evolution?
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