The Cyrus Challenge Experiment proposed....

DennisTate · Jan 6, 2020

Kylie said:
First, I get a warning when I click that link.

Secondly, what specific part of the idea that subatomic particles are one dimensional strings instead of zero dimensional points suggests the supernatural to you?

Thank you... I should make a copy of that elsewhere but here is the gist of it:
......
I actually do believe in evolution but I think that anybody who would dogmatically limit evolution to our four dimensional space time continuum lacks basic mathematical aptitude.

Back in the 1990's I read several articles on GUT and string theory. Later on I read Stephen Hawking's Universe. in his chapter The Anthropic Principle he speculated that perhaps there were an infinite number of unsuccessful universes out there somewhere in which was no life due to the fact that electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force were not properly tuned for life as we know it. It seems obvious to me that another possibility is that the first intelligent life form might be composed of energy. Probably a fundamental energy such as SuperForce or Super Energetic Matter which may be the common denominator for all four forces active in our fourth space time dimensional continuum.

13.72 billion years is roughly equal to ZERO time when compared with eternity. If fundamental energy would always have existed, as I assume Dr. Hawking seems to believe due to his suspicion of their having been an infinite number of unsuccessful universes and probably Big Bang + Grand Collapses, then if evolutionary theory could be expanded to have occurred within infinite time as opposed to limiting abiogenesis and evolution to abouit 4.5 billion years than you increase the probability of evolution being possible by essentially an infinite factor! I do believe in evolution occurring, but I suspect that perhaps 99% of evolution probably occurred before our Big Bang which was probably planned and choreographed by the Life Form/life forms that would probably be composed of fundamental energy.

Is evolution more probable to have occurred within 13 billion years or within eternity?

I must admit that these ideas about invisible higher space time dimensions sure does remind me of what many people who have a brush with death report.
Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

Here are some quotations on the basic ideas behind Grand Unified Theory and String Theory:

"It was not until 1920 that the idea of linking electromagnetism and
gravity resurfaced. At that time a new theory of gravitation had been proposed by Albert Einstein (1879-1955), called the general theory of relativity. It was a replacement of Newton's theory, which had stood unchallenged since 1687. Inspired by Einstein's work, a young German mathematician named Theodore Kaluza was seized by a curious idea. The theory of relativity links space an time together to form a four-dimensional space-time continuum. What would happen, mused Kaluza, if general relativity were formulated in five rather than four dimensions? This is what Kaluza did, and to everyone's astonishment it was discovered that five-dimensional gravity obeys the same laws as
four-dimensional gravity as well as Maxwell's laws for the electromagnetic field. In other words, gravitation and electromagnetism are automatically unified in five dimensions, where electromagnetism is merely a component of gravity!"

The only drawback of the theory concerns the extra dimension. Why
don't we see it? An ingenious answer was provided by Oskar Klein. A
hosepipe viewed from afar looks like a wiggly line, i.e. one- dimensional.
However, on closer inspection it can be seen as a narrow tube. It is, in fact,
two-dimensional, and what was taken to be a point on the line is actually a
little circle going around the tube. In the same way, reasoned Klein, what we normally regard as a point in three dimensional space could in reality be a little circle going around a fourth space dimension. Thus Kaluza's extra
dimension might well exist, but be impossible to detect because it is closed
(circular) and rolled up to a very small circumference. In spite of
these bizarre overtones, it seems probable that in future a "theory of everything" will make use of the idea of unseen higher dimensions."
....

"Although nature manifests four distinct forces, physicists believe that
each may be part of a smaller number of more primitive forces. At high energy, the electromagnetic and weak forces appear to merge into a single "electroweak" force. Some "grand unified theories" suggest that a further amalgamation takes place between the electroweak and strong forces at as yet unattained energies. The most ambitious unification schemes envisage an amalgamation of all four forces into a single "superforce" at ultra-high levels of energy."...

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

I regard the traditional theory of evolution occurring here in the fourth dimension as astonishingly unlikely. On the other hand if Super Force or Super Energetic Matter by its very nature would always have exited, and if there at the minimum had to be a sufficient supply of this energy to form the material universe, then we would be talking about infinite time being the paradigm within which intelligent life could evolve in the truly fundamental space time dimension.

Dr. Hawking has been quoted as saying that "Super strings" somehow exist in ten or eleven space time dimensions simultaneously. He believes that it will take at least ten if not eleven space time dimensions to mathematically unify all four forces that essentially explain all phenomena in the observable universe. If this theory is at all accurate then perhaps God may have required a rather lengthy "time period" to INVENT planets, stars, the force of gravity, grass, trees, amoeba, squirrels, the human reproductive process, and whatever possible prototypes may have been experimented with previous to the creation of Adam and Eve that may well have been created only about six thousand years ago. If indeed there are ten or eleven space time dimensions and if all higher dimensions are invisible then is it possible that arch-angels such as Gabriel, Michael, Phanuel, Uriel or Raphael may well be beings who exist primarily in ninth dimensional space-time?

Dr. Chaim Tejman does an excellent job of explaining how Wave Theory relates to every phenomena that we observe on this earth

The Fundamental Force

"The prevalent and prevailing consensus points to four fundamental forces —
electromagnetism, gravitation, as well as strong and weak nuclear forces — but I
aver that there is only one force: energetic matter. The energetic matter
creates wave formations are expressed exclusively by the two principle behaviors
(forces) of pushing and pulling." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

The Fundamental Force

"The swirling and spinning motion creates circular formations. To finish
constructing the wave, the energetic matter must complete two semi-circular rounds. The figures are executed perpendicular to each other, and their energetic paths are in a state of superposition. The closed formation allows the energetic matter to move along closed energetic paths and maintain its energetic matter. It creates two internal swirls (vortices), which are neither identical nor symmetrical. In other words, the same type of energetic matter that moves along a common path that is shared by both swirls within a particular wave formation. Nevertheless, the swirls do not contain equal amounts of energy even in units with the same amount of space." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

I personally agree with Dr. Tejman that Wave Theory explains a lot even about gender differences.Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

Dr. Tejman does a fantastic job of explaining how the behavior of fundamental energy would almost certainly lead to life and thought processes.

Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life

"The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

Kylie · Jan 7, 2020

DennisTate said:
Thank you... I should make a copy of that elsewhere but here is the gist of it:
......
I actually do believe in evolution but I think that anybody who would dogmatically limit evolution to our four dimensional space time continuum lacks basic mathematical aptitude.

Back in the 1990's I read several articles on GUT and string theory. Later on I read Stephen Hawking's Universe. in his chapter The Anthropic Principle he speculated that perhaps there were an infinite number of unsuccessful universes out there somewhere in which was no life due to the fact that electromagnetism, gravity, weak and strong nuclear force were not properly tuned for life as we know it. It seems obvious to me that another possibility is that the first intelligent life form might be composed of energy. Probably a fundamental energy such as SuperForce or Super Energetic Matter which may be the common denominator for all four forces active in our fourth space time dimensional continuum.

13.72 billion years is roughly equal to ZERO time when compared with eternity. If fundamental energy would always have existed, as I assume Dr. Hawking seems to believe due to his suspicion of their having been an infinite number of unsuccessful universes and probably Big Bang + Grand Collapses, then if evolutionary theory could be expanded to have occurred within infinite time as opposed to limiting abiogenesis and evolution to abouit 4.5 billion years than you increase the probability of evolution being possible by essentially an infinite factor! I do believe in evolution occurring, but I suspect that perhaps 99% of evolution probably occurred before our Big Bang which was probably planned and choreographed by the Life Form/life forms that would probably be composed of fundamental energy.

Is evolution more probable to have occurred within 13 billion years or within eternity?

I must admit that these ideas about invisible higher space time dimensions sure does remind me of what many people who have a brush with death report.
Dr. George Ritchie's Near-Death Experience

Here are some quotations on the basic ideas behind Grand Unified Theory and String Theory:

I regard the traditional theory of evolution occurring here in the fourth dimension as astonishingly unlikely. On the other hand if Super Force or Super Energetic Matter by its very nature would always have exited, and if there at the minimum had to be a sufficient supply of this energy to form the material universe, then we would be talking about infinite time being the paradigm within which intelligent life could evolve in the truly fundamental space time dimension.

Dr. Hawking has been quoted as saying that "Super strings" somehow exist in ten or eleven space time dimensions simultaneously. He believes that it will take at least ten if not eleven space time dimensions to mathematically unify all four forces that essentially explain all phenomena in the observable universe. If this theory is at all accurate then perhaps God may have required a rather lengthy "time period" to INVENT planets, stars, the force of gravity, grass, trees, amoeba, squirrels, the human reproductive process, and whatever possible prototypes may have been experimented with previous to the creation of Adam and Eve that may well have been created only about six thousand years ago. If indeed there are ten or eleven space time dimensions and if all higher dimensions are invisible then is it possible that arch-angels such as Gabriel, Michael, Phanuel, Uriel or Raphael may well be beings who exist primarily in ninth dimensional space-time?

Dr. Chaim Tejman does an excellent job of explaining how Wave Theory relates to every phenomena that we observe on this earth

The Fundamental Force

The Fundamental Force

I personally agree with Dr. Tejman that Wave Theory explains a lot even about gender differences.Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

Dr. Tejman does a fantastic job of explaining how the behavior of fundamental energy would almost certainly lead to life and thought processes.

Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life

What in the world is this nonsense?

I ask you to show me what part of string theory you think supports the idea of the supernatural, and you come back going on about some new idea that says there is only one force that somehow explains why we have genders?

Can you please just answer my question without resorting to some out-there idea which has no scientific support whatsoever?

DennisTate · Feb 2, 2020

Kylie said:
What in the world is this nonsense?

I ask you to show me what part of string theory you think supports the idea of the supernatural, and you come back going on about some new idea that says there is only one force that somehow explains why we have genders?

Can you please just answer my question without resorting to some out-there idea which has no scientific support whatsoever?

Actually... I suspect that there are two forces.... one rising out of Super Strings and the other rising out of Super Waves.

Back in the 1990's even Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was having difficulty fitting Gravity into his attempts at a Grand Unified Field Theory.

One of the major points you might notice from this is that Intelligence likely goes back far, far, far, far more than merely four point five billion years, the supposed lifetime of the earth.

Intelligence likely goes back into essentially infinite time in the past as the Creator planned and formed an infinite number of Big Bang type of events.

That is exactly what one near death experiencer was shown. This is similar in many ways to a chapter of Stephen Hawking's Universe entitled The Anthropic Principle.

Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience

At this point of my near-death experience, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.

I was in pre creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

Kylie · Feb 2, 2020

DennisTate said:
Actually... I suspect that there are two forces.... one rising out of Super Strings and the other rising out of Super Waves.

Back in the 1990's even Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was having difficulty fitting Gravity into his attempts at a Grand Unified Field Theory.

This has absoluitely nothing to do with the supernatural.

One of the major points you might notice from this is that Intelligence likely goes back far, far, far, far more than merely four point five billion years, the supposed lifetime of the earth.

What intelligence? You were talking about super strings and Grand unifying theories. Your line of reasoning appears chaotic and random.

Intelligence likely goes back into essentially infinite time in the past as the Creator planned and formed an infinite number of Big Bang type of events.

What does this have to do with string theory?

That is exactly what one near death experiencer was shown. This is similar in many ways to a chapter of Stephen Hawking's Universe entitled The Anthropic Principle.

Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience

Some random person's hallucination does not show that string theory proves the supernatural.

DennisTate · Feb 2, 2020

Kylie said:
This has absoluitely nothing to do with the supernatural.

What intelligence? You were talking about super strings and Grand unifying theories. Your line of reasoning appears chaotic and random.

What does this have to do with string theory?

Some random person's hallucination does not show that string theory proves the supernatural.

A New Thermodynamics Theory of the Origin of Life | Quanta Magazine

A New Physics Theory of Life

An MIT physicist has proposed the provocative idea that life exists because the law of increasing entropy drives matter to acquire lifelike physical properties.

This guy is really onto something but...... String Theory and infinite time in the past must be factored into the formula. The nature of fundamental energy.... tends to produce growth and evolution and CREATION.

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World of Science)

Kylie · Feb 2, 2020

DennisTate said:
A New Thermodynamics Theory of the Origin of Life | Quanta Magazine

A New Physics Theory of Life

This guy is really onto something but...... String Theory and infinite time in the past must be factored into the formula. The nature of fundamental energy.... tends to produce growth and evolution and CREATION.

His proposed idea does not contradict current scientific thinking at all.

Also, he is talking about chemistry. There is nothing in there that deals with subatomic particles.

This does not support your case at all.

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

Kylie said:
His proposed idea does not contradict current scientific thinking at all.

Also, he is talking about chemistry. There is nothing in there that deals with subatomic particles.

This does not support your case at all.

But... his ideas do assist any reader to get more used to the idea of Intelligence learning and "evolving" in a fundamental energy..... rather than in matter in four dimensional space and time.

Kylie · Feb 21, 2020

DennisTate said:
But... his ideas do assist any reader to get more used to the idea of Intelligence learning and "evolving" in a fundamental energy..... rather than in matter in four dimensional space and time.

You seem to be shifting the goalposts. And what he is talking about is the result of natural process and does not require anything supernatural or string theory or magic or anything else.

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

Kylie said:
You seem to be shifting the goalposts. And what he is talking about is the result of natural process and does not require anything supernatural or string theory or magic or anything else.

Strangely enough..... the statement that you just made is accurate so far as I can tell.

From what I have read of the behaviour of Super Strings and / or Super Waves............ they obey the Law of Complexity Consciousness over something resembling time..... although time would not really exist until space had been invented.

The Fundamental Force

"The prevalent and prevailing consensus points to four fundamental forces —
electromagnetism, gravitation, as well as strong and weak nuclear forces — but I
aver that there is only one force: energetic matter. The energetic matter
creates wave formations are expressed exclusively by the two principle behaviors
(forces) of pushing and pulling." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

The Fundamental Force

"The swirling and spinning motion creates circular formations. To finish
constructing the wave, the energetic matter must complete two semi-circular rounds. The figures are executed perpendicular to each other, and their energetic paths are in a state of superposition. The closed formation allows the energetic matter to move along closed energetic paths and maintain its energetic matter. It creates two internal swirls (vortices), which are neither identical nor symmetrical. In other words, the same type of energetic matter that moves along a common path that is shared by both swirls within a particular wave formation. Nevertheless, the swirls do not contain equal amounts of energy even in units with the same amount of space." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life

"The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

DennisTate · Feb 21, 2020

I just noticed that you are from Australia..... you might rather enjoy this discussion:

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