I love how this doesn't actually address any of the criticisms I raised.
True... but my point is that perhaps the Creator is pleased with where you are at spiritually and doesn't have to take you through your being shown error after error after error after error like I was after I did my variation of the Cyrus prayer?!
So you are saying that God is hiding himself from me because he wants me to be the way I am?
So God wants me to go to Hell, does he?
"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.
We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. Jesus said to me, "These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."
I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart. The anguish that Jesus was suffering at the slaughter of his people was too much for me to bear and I begged that we leave this place. I will never forget this: his anguish at this horror and what it represents. This was one of the low points in human history."
I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events." (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)
My beliefs on hell are not identical to many Christians .......
for example I see no theological problem with the following vision of what was happening behind the scenes during the Holocaust:
My guess is that when Jews pray to "Moshiach" Messiah Yeshua - Jesus know that he is talking to him.
Isaiah 45
vs 1 - 5
is all about somebody being used by G-d.... in a massive way... without being shown clearly exactly who G-d was.
Mellen Thomas Benedict was an Atheist at the time of his near death experience but he was wise and started asking the being of light more and more questions..... as opposed to attempting to hide..... and all of his questions were answered to his astonishment.
Okay, so leaving aside the bit where God never actually explained why he was allowing that to happen, since the Holocaust is not the topic of discussion...
Are you saying God does not want me to know him? I have spent much of my life seeking the truth. Why should God get to decide that the truth is being kept from me?
At this point of my near-death experience, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.
I was in pre creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.
I am not certain... but there are cases......
such as that of Mellen Thomas Benedict......
who was a Skeptic / Atheist right up until the time of his
near death experience and perhaps partly due to his
not having pre-conveived opinions of G-d based on the teachings of
a particular denomination........ he had an off the scale NDE account because he
kept on asking the Being of Light, (who I believe was Messian Yeshua - Jesus in his glorious form...... but I am biased)............. more and more and more questions.... .and Mellen Thomas even came back
with a brilliant explanation for what Stephen Hawking Ph. D. covered in chapter thirteen of
Stephen Hawking's Universe.... that was entitled The Anthropic Principle................
Mellen Benedict is shown... a Theistic Version of the Cyclic Model of the Universe / Multiverse.........
which neatly compares to the Atheistic / Agnostic version of the Cyclic Model that Dr. Hawking postulates in his book.......
Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience
By allowing Mellen Benedict to remain a Skeptic until the time of his NDE....
it is possible that his NDE was more powerful and so clear that in the future it may be regarded as
a turning point in our time period????????????
People can have all sorts of experiences, doesn't mean those experiences were caused by God.
True.......
the guy who Messiah Yeshua - Jesus met who had the Legion probably had all kinds of unusual experiences but.......
they indeed were not caused by G-d!
Mark 5
And they came to the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gerasenes.
2 And when he was come out of the boat, straightway there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, 3 who had his dwelling in the tombs: and no man could any more bind him, no, not with a chain; 4 because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been rent asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: and no man had strength to tame him.
5 And always, night and day, in the tombs and in the mountains, he was crying out, and cutting himself with stones.
6 And when he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshipped him; 7 and crying out with a loud voice, he saith, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the Most High God? I adjure thee by God, torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come forth, thou unclean spirit, out of the man.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he saith unto him, My name is Legion; for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there on the mountain side a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And they besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And he gave them leave. And the unclean spirits came out, and entered into the swine: and the herd rushed down the steep into the sea, [in number] about two thousand; and they were drowned in the sea.
14 And they that fed them fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they came to see what it was that had come to pass.
15 And they come to Jesus, and behold him that was possessed with demons sitting, clothed and in his right mind, [even] him that had the legion: and they were afraid.
Luke 8
The Mellen Benedict experience though is impressive to me because it caused such a positive shift in his approach to life and to everybody around him. He went from extreme disbelief to extreme faith..... (although not exactly as i look at faith...... but impressive none the less).
Way to miss my point...
Yup.........
but a warning because once this begins and gains momentum.........
it is moment by moment by moment..........
because I just got a confirmation for a question that I had on my mind since 1979
regarding the possible connection between applied Multiverse Theory with
Ezekiel 37
and the question of non-linear time??????
Could the prophet Elijah have altered history if he had NOT........
I'm talking about how people can experience something and attribute it to a deity when there was no deity involved.
You are going on about multiverse theory and non-linear time.
Are you aware that we generally try to stay on topic as much as possible on this site?
Yes.... but the evidence for applied Multiverse Theory......
which you will find..... for merely one example in chapter five of Saved by The Light by near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley...........
is also evidence for the existence of an Intelligence / Intelligences or at least intelligence / intelligences capable of resurrecting the dead..........
at a moment in what would appear as the past.......
and then spinning off a new time line.........
Defining G-d is an important part of the goal here.......
www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
Even Richard Dawkins Ph. D. would not dogmatically rule out the possible existence of some form of alien intelligence and or Intelligence being involved in human history and / or evolution.........
Google "Richard Dawkins Ben Stein" for some footage on that......
I have no idea how you think this is relevant to our discussion.
Person A can experience something. Person A may claim that the thing they experienced was a result of the intervention of a deity. Their belief does mean it was a deity.
Your ramblings about multiverses are entirely irrelevant.
So, let's get back to the actual topic we were discussing. Near Death Experiences can not be verified as being the result of a deity, even if the person really believes it was. There is no way to test for that. However, there is a huge amount of evidence to show the NDEs are NOT the result of a deity.
Or... your source of information might not be quite as good as this:
Science and the Near-Death Experience
Science and the Near-Death Experience
Cool story.
Would be a shame if someone was to recreate a near death experience artificially.
Oh wait, they have.
What happens when you die? Scientists recreate near-death experience to find out
Near-death experience - RationalWiki
Yes.... certain drugs ....... and Extreme Gravity Devices.... and several other methods can recreate an NDE under what could be defined as laboratory conditions.
They still have an out of the body experience.......
still have a transformation that is not so easily explained away.........
So there are at least two ways to look at this evidence????????
The choice is yours..... and mine.... on how we view this part of the formula.
Did you know that in the book Transformed by the Light by Melvin Morse M. D. a study was referred to in which one group of people who had recently attempted suicide were simply given near death experience accounts to read? Zero people from that particular group attempted suicide again during the duration of the study.
Some psychologies assume from that fact that near death experience accounts have potential therapeutic value in treating suicidal tendencies.
And what is not easily explained? We've shown conclusively that NDEs don't require anything at all supernatural.
Perhaps, perhaps not.
If they did a study that showed the people from that group were less likely to try again than other people who had once attempted suicide and were NOT shown the NDE accounts, then perhaps you'd have a point.
But since there was no control group, you can't assume that those people never tried again due to reading those accounts. It could be that the vast majority of people who attempt suicide never try again, and showing them the NDE accounts didn't influence them in any way.
Oh wow, where to start with that...
Dr Stan Grof thinks the tunnel is a memory of being born, which is nonsense because babies being born aren't generally capable of forming memories, and even if they were, they wouldn't see it like that.
It also says that Grof thinks consciousness is "non-localised", a claim for which no supporting evidence is given. And Grof is pretty closely tied to pseudoscience anyway.
And as for the author of that site, Kevin Williams, he's got absolutely ZERO education in biology or psychology or psychiatry. He's a computer scientist. So his articles about NDEs are pretty much worthless.
If you want to read an article about NDEs that ISN'T worthless, try this one. It's written by Steven Novella, who's an actual clinical neurologist. So he is very well versed on how the brain works - it's his field of expertise and he's been working in that field for more than twenty years.
I truly thank you for finding these videos.....
This is still interesting and possibly useful though because I've read that fallen angels can cause a body to go through contortions that are not normal so...... this could be evidence for the existence of fallen angels that can perform what looks like miracles so.... this could be an example of "real magic"........ this might not be a mere trick but might be something where the power of demons is being shown.
The pastors who would work with somebody who can do this.......
which might be allowing herself to manifest something from the dark side..... are dishonouring Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in an extreme way.
Could this be that the demon leaves her arm......
and then later she invites it back in in order to do a trick... This all could be useful and could
turn out to be evidence that there are demons and devils just as
taught in the gospels.
Sorry... but the video that I just posted was somehow faked..... I am hoping that it was not a total waste of your time based on this theory:
Now I am kind of wondering if that video might eventually turn out to be a hint at the meaning of:
Matthew 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
2Th 2:9 "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,"
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