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BobRyan said:
IN EVERY SINGLE instance of the term "Sabbath" used as a reference to a weekly day of worship in the NT - it is the 7th day of the week.
In this case however - I think I am going to go with this point - since I see it as irrefutable.
Col 2;16-17 make it clear that it is the "shadow sabbaths" pointing forward to the coming of Christ. -- and not the "memorial Sabbath" the weekly day of worship -- that is being discussed.
Why post so consistently against it if that is the case? I find that a bit self-conflicted
Rev 1:10 does not identify any day of the week - but given that all the Sabbath references of worship in the NT are to the 7th day and we have the explicit statement "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28 - it is safe to say that the Lord's day in Rev 1:10 is the 7th day of the week.
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
IN EVERY SINGLE instance of the term "Sabbath" used as a reference to a weekly day of worship in the NT - it is the 7th day of the week.
I appreciate your concern.This point is one you probably don’t want to make
In this case however - I think I am going to go with this point - since I see it as irrefutable.
In my statement above I say that when "Sabbath is used as a reference to a weekly day of worship" - it is always the 7th day of the week.since it rather neatly invalidates the claim made by other Adventists that St. Paul, in instructing us not to let others judge us on the observance of Sabbaths, festivals etc in Colossians 2:16, was referring to Sabbaths other than to the seventh day of the Jewish week.
Col 2;16-17 make it clear that it is the "shadow sabbaths" pointing forward to the coming of Christ. -- and not the "memorial Sabbath" the weekly day of worship -- that is being discussed.
EVERY reference in the NT to Sabbath as a weekly day of worship is ALWAYs the 7th day Sabbat in the NT. So far you have not been able to find some other weekly day of worship called Sabbath in the NT that is not the 7th day. I guess we can agree in that case "The point remains".problem is that the New Testament does not support the strict following of the Sabbath
Hmm you have the seventh day Sabbath - Saturday as your day of worship?Indeed, the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, Ancient Church of the East, and the Roman Catholic Church, and the Anglicans and Lutherans observe the Sabbath not only by having worshipping services on this day throughout the year, particularly in the Orthodox churches and the Assyrian church,
Why post so consistently against it if that is the case? I find that a bit self-conflicted
Is your phrase "strict rules of Judaism" your euphamism for "what the Word fo God actually says in Ex 20:8-11, Gen 2:2-3, Mark 2:27" ??the primary text that supports our practice of regarding the Sabbath as a restful day of worship for our benefit, but one which the Christian is free to use, following the examples of Christ our True God, in a manner that differs from the strict rules of Judaism
I don't argue that Christians should never worship God on Tuesday, Wednesday, Sunday .. etc., and furthermore, which in no respects precludes worshipping on other days
Yes chiefly on the Lord's Day -- called "The Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13, chiefly on the Lord’s Day,
Rev 1:10 does not identify any day of the week - but given that all the Sabbath references of worship in the NT are to the 7th day and we have the explicit statement "The Son of Man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28 - it is safe to say that the Lord's day in Rev 1:10 is the 7th day of the week.
Paul says that Christ points to the communion service as a memorial of His death "For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup you do show the Lord's death until He comes". So in their worship services they met to break bread - of the communion - a memorial of the Lord's death "until He comes"in memory of His glorious resurrection, which becomes more important, both devotionally and eschatologically
Yep that is the memorial where we "show the Lord's death until He comes" 1 Cor 11 - as scripture says.It is the day for the Eucharist, in which we partake of the very body and blood of Christ our True God
1 Cor 11 it iswe are required by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:2 and 2 Thessalonians 2:15 to adhere to
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” 25 In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
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