the creator has a master plan

[deshadow]

physics is so complex. the world is so complex. why is god's attitude "join me or die"

and why is the master plan "ah creation, oh crap whats satan doing, oh man what is he telling eve to do, oh jeese, this problem will take me 4000 years to fix at hich point i will send down my son, i need to start prophesizing"

actually isnt the master plan that christians speak of.... god already knew all that was gonna happen or not?

 

[malckiah]

Hello friend, Those are good questions that most people do not want to answer. However the answer is very simple and i will answer it by asking a question:
If everyday of your life was perfect and you never had a bad day... then how would you ever be able to appreciate anything?
God in His endless Love wants His children to have the fullest love possible- if those things that we consider bad didnt happen then we would just exist from day to day with another " yay, another perfect day, yay."-(imagine the clear eyes guy saying this.) It would be boring and empty, but i am sure that when you have a really awesome day you really appreciate it, and that's because you had something to compare it to. God wants to give you the ultimate in Heaven!

As far as those who choose to not accept God's FREE gift of salvation, well, there is no love in making them love Him, so He gives them freewill to choose. And if they choose to deny Him- That's their choice! The Bible says that God doesnt want anyone to go to hell, but he didnt want to make a bunch of puppets- He loves us more than we could ever imagine! God Bless You! amen.

 

[Calminian]

physics is so complex. the world is so complex. why is god's attitude "join me or die"

and why is the master plan "ah creation, oh crap whats satan doing, oh man what is he telling eve to do, oh jeese, this problem will take me 4000 years to fix at hich point i will send down my son, i need to start prophesizing"

actually isnt the master plan that christians speak of.... god already knew all that was gonna happen or not?

God was not surprised by anything Satan or Adam did. As the prior poster indicates, He gave men freedom, and saw that freedom as more important than preventing all evil and suffering. You may feel you would have done things differently, but I can see why God would do this, and even agree with it. In fact I think most people agree that freedom is more important than preventing all suffering. Anyone bringing children with free wills into the world would have to agree.

 

[deshadow]

i dont know, i can imagine a god that wouldnt have hell.

i can imagine a god that wouldnt give his creations the free will to chose teir own etrnal dmanation or destruction. thats not the same thing as te good sounding "free will to do wat we feel on earth"

thats an eternal infinite catastrophic choice, and the evidence tat we are supposed to base the choice on (time on earth) is very very confusing.

 

[rocklife]

i dont know, i can imagine a god that wouldnt have hell.

i can imagine a god that wouldnt give his creations the free will to chose teir own etrnal dmanation or destruction. thats not the same thing as te good sounding "free will to do wat we feel on earth"

thats an eternal infinite catastrophic choice, and the evidence tat we are supposed to base the choice on (time on earth) is very very confusing.

As a christian, I read the bible daily. I do not believe God is going to torture people in burning fire for billions and trillions of years. I believe many have not studied the bible correctly (the ones who preach a sadistic punishment like that). The bible says the punishment of sin is death, not billions of years of torture.

If you'd like to hear a preaching describing the biblical meaning of hell, I recommend http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/storacle_lessons.asp. Click Watch on "Cities of Ash"

 

[Calminian]

i dont know, i can imagine a god that wouldnt have hell.

i can imagine a god that wouldnt give his creations the free will to chose teir own etrnal dmanation or destruction. thats not the same thing as te good sounding "free will to do wat we feel on earth"

thats an eternal infinite catastrophic choice, and the evidence tat we are supposed to base the choice on (time on earth) is very very confusing.

One of the basic things that changed my mind about this issue is my view of my own sinfulness and the absolute goodness (holiness) of God. When you understand how just and good and righteous and holy God is, it changes everything. The prophet Isaiah, when seeing God close up responded this way.

Is. 6:5 So I said: “Woe is me, for I am undone! Because I am a man of unclean lips, And I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; For my eyes have seen the King, The LORD of hosts.”

 

[Under_His_Shadow]

physics is so complex. the world is so complex. why is god's attitude "join me or die"

It's not, friend.
God's attitute toward all of humanity is, "because you are already spiritually dead in trespasses and sins (Eph.2:1), having no eternal hope or relationship with Me/God (Eph.2:12), I not only desire, but also have provided free-of-charge to you, a completely righteous and legal way for you to be made spiritually alive and restored to fellowship in my family, simply by putting your faith and trust in Who my Son, Jesus Christ is, and what He did for you through His death and resurrection" (2 Pet.3:9; Jn.3:16; Rom.3:19-26).

and why is the master plan "ah creation, oh crap whats satan doing, oh man what is he telling eve to do, oh jeese, this problem will take me 4000 years to fix at hich point i will send down my son, i need to start prophesizing". actually isnt the master plan that christians speak of.... god already knew all that was gonna happen or not?

God's thoughts and infinite wisdom are a trillion - zillion miles beyond our finite comprehension (Isa.55:6-9; Rom. 11:33-34), but in the Scriptures He has provided enough information to enable young children as well as the most educated and brilliant human minds to learn about and receive salvation through Christ, as well as understanding and wisdom regarding all of life's practical issues (Ps.119:1-176; Pr. 1:1-7; Lk.18:16).

Because God in His foreknowledge knew, even before He created man (with a free will), that man would sin, He and Christ agreed, before the world's creation that Jesus would willingly be born of human flesh, die as a sacrificial "Lamb" in our place, and be resurrected for our justification (Rom.8:29; Rev.13:8; Rom.4:24-25).

 

[Rafael]

i dont know, i can imagine a god that wouldnt have hell.

i can imagine a god that wouldnt give his creations the free will to chose teir own etrnal dmanation or destruction. thats not the same thing as te good sounding "free will to do wat we feel on earth"

thats an eternal infinite catastrophic choice, and the evidence tat we are supposed to base the choice on (time on earth) is very very confusing.

How could love exist without a choice? If you cannot give love freely, by your own will, then it does not really exist. God does not violate the will of mankind's choice through Adam - except that He gave all mankind a way out of death by paying the penalty Himself, by coming to earth in the manifestation of the flesh, as a man, Jesus, and then showing us the way home.
You would not be able to voice your complaint at all if you were just a robot created by God that could not make a choice to live or die....
God not only created man and loved him, He also twice owns us by giving His own life in the flesh for us as Jesus. How fair are we to our Creator always judging Him instead of giving a bit of thanks for life - "today was good, thanks..."