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He has always been and will always be self-existent. That's the beauty of the Creator, and that's the reason He is the Creator, and not the created one. All intelligence and all wisdom resides in Him from eternity past. And if that is a mystery, then that is what is is meant to be -- the Mystery of God. People love mysteries, but they do not care for the Mystery of God, because it leads to the Mystery of Godliness -- Christ.But when you turn your own logic towards the Creator then doesn't it demand that he himself had to be created by a greater intelligence?
Of course you can. All you have to do is dial up skeptic dot com and you will find all kinds of attempts at leading people astray from the truth. That is what the apostasy is all about. People that want to follow Satan in his rebellion against God and take as many people as he can into the pits of hell.There are numerous simple and complex contradictions within the Bible.
I can show them too you if you like.
People are willing to accept a Prologue in books of fiction, but they can't figure out a Prologue in Scripture. Genesis chapter one is a succinct overview, whereas Genesis 2 and 3 focus on man, since man was created in the image and likeness of God.There are no myths in the Bible. There is one creation account, not two. Genesis two begins with Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. How, then, could it be a creation account? It is not. It is the beginning of the history of man. Perhaps you should learn something about the Scriptures if your intent here is to attack them.
God is outside of time. He can go anyplace, anywhere in the past, present or the future. So He does not have a beginning and a end the way we do.But when you turn your own logic towards the Creator then doesn't it demand that he himself had to be created by a greater intelligence?
I am a dispensationalist. If you do not accept dispensationalism then we do not have enough common ground to even have a conversation. It would be like one of us is playing hockey and the other one is playing baseball.I think the idea of thinking of life as having distinct, clearly-delineated "stages" is rather simplistic and not supported by observational data.
There is no contradiction between the Bible and Science. The Bible was scientifically accurate when it was written. Abraham and Moses had the best most advanced education you could get in their day. The Bible continues to be accurate today.
What two creation myths?
I note that your post didn't include any specific examples of new traits evolving from animals that previously had no such traits. That's because there are none. Irradiating fruit flies was supposed to force increasing complexity in the fruit flies. What did it get? Messed up fruit flies. Although repeated many times over the years, forcing genetic mutations has never resulted in the result that you claim must be the driving force of biology. The problem you have with evolution is that it doesn't happen, has never happened, and cannot happen. It's nothing more than "must have" being passed off as science.
In Gen ch 1 God uses evolution to create man as a food gather. He is given all the earth. In Gen Ch 2 man becomes a food producer. This takes place 6,000 years ago in the Furtile Crescent in the Tigris Euphrates river valley in what is now modern day Iraq. So Chapter one covers 13 Billion years. Chapter 2 covers the last 6,000 years. (Actually the last 1300 years. We are very close to the 1000 year reign of Christ.)Genesis 1, where God makes the animals and then makes man and woman at the same time, and then Genesis 2, where God makes man, creates the animals as companions, but when Adam doesn't find them satisfactory, God then creates Eve.
So was it animals, man/woman, or was it man, animals, woman?
Let's make this really simple. You purchase a box of LEGO pieces and let them sit somewhere. What is the probability that they will arrange themselves into any kind of structure? On the other hand, you put the structure together and invite a friend and ask "Did someone build that, or did it just come together by happenstance?" You already know the answer.
So the fact that a creature like the hummingbird exists should cause any rational, intelligent person to ask the question "How could such a creature come about without a Creator?" And there you have your answer. And then you look around all of creation, all of the creatures, and how they function, and all the heavenly bodies, and how they function, and the only LOGICAL explanation is the existence of the Creator.
An atheist is one who denies reality, and lives in a fantasy of his own making, in which he considers himself to be far superior to those poor deluded mortals who believe in God and the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not enough to simply believe in the Creator. Unless one fully believes that the Creator also became our Savior, he continues in his delusions.
In Gen ch 1 God uses evolution to create man as a food gather. He is given all the earth. In Gen Ch 2 man becomes a food producer. This takes place 6,000 years ago in the Furtile Crescent in the Tigris Euphrates river valley in what is now modern day Iraq. So Chapter one covers 13 Billion years. Chapter 2 covers the last 6,000 years. (Actually the last 1300 years. We are very close to the 1000 year reign of Christ.)
I was amazed at all the neat stuff my nephew built out of Legos. Then one day I went to the toy store and realize that legos come as a set. My sister was spending a lot of money buying those lego sets for her son. He was not designing those fancy airplanes the person that built the legos designed the plane and put all the peices in the set in the box for my nephew to come along and assemble. God designs all the pieces and then they get assembled into what God intended for them to be.Let's make this really simple. You purchase a box of LEGO pieces and let them sit somewhere. What is the probability that they will arrange themselves into any kind of structure? On the other hand, you put the structure together and invite a friend and ask "Did someone build that, or did it just come together by happenstance?" You already know the answer.
The question for science is how did man go from a food gathering to food producing. From camping to building cities. We are talking about the dawn of civilization. This is the beginning of written history and we can read documents that go back 3500 years and further. The problem is to understand what we are reading. Real science would not mock artifacts they way some people here do.Most of that diagram is completely irrelvant to the creation of animals and man.
I'll tell you what. Can you create for me a list of events in chronological order detailing the creation of the universe, including the creation of animals and the creation of people) which is in complete agreement with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2?
If you do so, I will admit that the creation story in the Bible is entirely self consistent.
When looking at what exactly is being said in the verse it is clear that the subject is the mustard tree, as an herb. Therefore, the mustard seed IS the smallest seed; "among the herbs"! We are talking about the seeds that people actually plant in their field in that part of the world to grow food.So there is nothing in the Bible which contradicts modern scientific knowledge?
Is the mustard seed the smallest seed, as described in Mark 4:31? Because says says otherwise. A mustard seed is 1-2 mm in size. The seeds of the coral-root orchid (Corallorhiza maculata) are about a fifth of that size, 0.2 mm (SOURCE). Is the Bible right, or is science which can actually observe these smaller seeds and measure them right?
I think reality comes up the winner here.
The question for science is how did man go from a food gathering to food producing. From camping to building cities. We are talking about the dawn of civilization. This is the beginning of written history and we can read documents that go back 3500 years and further. The problem is to understand what we are reading. Real science would not mock artifacts they way some people here do.
The Bible was actually written on paper like scrolls, but we have clay tablets that go back a lot further then the Bible.
When looking at what exactly is being said in the verse it is clear that the subject is the mustard tree, as an herb. Therefore, the mustard seed IS the smallest seed; "among the herbs"! We are talking about the seeds that people actually plant in their field in that part of the world to grow food.
OH MY HEAVENS!!! A bacteria added citrus to its diet. This is the best you can do?
I guess this means you have nothing.
By the way, have you seen anyone giving birth to babies with leaves instead of hair? If humans share the same ancestry as trees, them we should still have that genetic information in our DNA.
Genesis two begins with Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array. How, then, could it be a creation account? It is not.
Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens
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