The Creation Took SIX LITERAL DAYS - Discuss

TheBear · Nov 6, 2003

Yes, I have seen that quite a bit. "Six Days" where I come from means "six days".

And where I come from, a "plucked out eye" is a "plucked out eye". A "chopped off hand" is a "chopped off hand".

See. Some of us are being consistent with how we interpret scripture. Applying precept upon precept, line upon line. Others apply certain rules, only if it will make their case seem stronger, and suspend those very same rules, if those rules tend to weaken their case.

TheBear · Nov 8, 2003

Buck72 · Nov 20, 2003

TheBear said:
And where I come from, a "plucked out eye" is a "plucked out eye". A "chopped off hand" is a "chopped off hand".

See. Some of us are being consistent with how we interpret scripture. Applying precept upon precept, line upon line. Others apply certain rules, only if it will make their case seem stronger, and suspend those very same rules, if those rules tend to weaken their case.

What rules? How else can Matt 18:8-9 be interpreted but literally? And how can there be any hint of malfeasance on behalf of the literal Bible folk when it is YOUR pre-conceived notional opinions that you use to bend the Bible to meet YOUR understanding. I'm just reading it off the pages brother...no prejudice, just right off the text, and man does it read quite easiliy without my "interpretation" getting in the way!

As I have attempted to explain many times earlier, the LITERAL meaning of Matt 18:8-9, Christ is saying that obedience is better than physical wholeness. If we cannot obey, better we sever the offending member than to remain disobedient and face eternal judgement.

It's about obedience, and He takes it VERY seriously, as should we.

Mat 18:8 "If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.

Mat 18:9 "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.

He is absolutely speaking literal, He is saying whatever lengths are required to pursue holiness than take them! A person who has trouble with alcohol ought not think they can sip a little beer here and there and be alright, cut out that sin from you completely!

Why is this verse being brought out as a means to justify ignoring the six-day creation which is spelled out with even greater literality than this passage?

The Lord even created the seven-day week to comemorate the creation!

Has anyone even read the post detailing the Hebrew vocabulary that backs up "conservative fanatical fundamentalists" far-out "interpretations" of the six-day Genesis event?

The account of the creation of the universe in six days still is a "bone in the throat" to many Christians. Many point out that the word for "day" is yom , and is translated to 54 other words; however, 1181 of 1480 occurrences it is "day," and when used with a number it is always a literal day. But the real problem isn't the account in Genesis. It is in Exodus. In the middle of the Ten Commandments, the Creator Himself wrote it with His own finger in stone! (Chuck Missler, Nov 03, khouse.org)

Exo 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

See also:

http://www.khouse.org/articles/technical/20031101-492.html

Oh, BTW....What does "bump" mean?

Vance · Nov 20, 2003

Buck, check out my thread on the seeming inconstencies in Scripture and see how your plain readin', without any interpretation does with those. I would hope that you would acknowledge that a plain and simple reading of the texts is sometimes not the end of the analysis.

Buck72 · Nov 20, 2003

Vance said:
Buck, check out my thread on the seeming inconstencies in Scripture and see how your plain readin', without any interpretation does with those. I would hope that you would acknowledge that a plain and simple reading of the texts is sometimes not the end of the analysis.

Vance, please check out my lengthy hermenutic explanation in this very thread of the exact Hebrew vocabulary where six days means six days. Also I don't see anyone refuting Exodus 20:11.

I'll read your thread - I will preface my reading with the statement that God does not confound the simple - He confounds the wise. He does that on purpose so that man, who has violated His Law, cannot boast of his wisdom before God. He tells us to come to Him with faith like a child. He does not use any form of trickery or "word play" to hide "billions of years" in six evening/morning cycles that clearly describe the 144-hour creation event.

He made the seven-day week to comemorate the very Creation and allows us to share in His own work cycle.

Billions of years is just nowhere to be found in scripture and there are PLENTY of scientists that argue that the earth is not billions of years old.

Somebody is just plain wrong, and it's not a salvation issue, but it is a serious issue. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but the Bible is either 100% correct, or it is worthless. Either Christ is who He claims to be or He is a lunatic - I choose Christ and the Bible, making me a part of the family of believers...everything else I question.

What scares the skin off my bones is the people that identify with our Lord as christians get trapped in this: "Bible doesn't mean what it says" racket and then they begin to follow after strange doctrines that permit sodomizers place in church leadership - how that can be contrived as acceptable from scripture requires a high degree of insanity and a complete abscence of any fear of God.

Take a tour through the Liberal Theology to see what it is I'm talking about - it is a terrible thing that the church is suffering from by fasting from the very word that feeds our sould and looking for fulfillment elsewhere - there is no other fulfillment but that very word and it is not a convoluted truth requiring skillful, secret interpretation when it can be read off the page exactly as presented. It is allegorical where it says it is allegorical, ie: the Parables. These are used by non-literalists to justify non-literalism; the problem is Christ identifies these in the same passage as a parable to not confuse the reader.

I've been out of the country for a few weeks, but I'll get back to you from your thread.

God bless - Buck

Chi_Cygni · Nov 20, 2003

Buck72,

there are not PLENTY of scientists who argue that. In fact almost ZERO.

A few people, usually well out of the loop - or not even scientists at all.

You suffer from the well known malaise of 'It's all or nothing for the Bible'.

So be it then, for you.

Since the Bible is NOT inerrant, has hundreds of inconsistencies, I suggest you may well have to seek a new faith.

You can bury your head in the sand and accept the words of a few scientifically inept fools if you want.

Most Christians don't feel the need for this 100% or nothing.

Vance · Nov 20, 2003

"but the Bible is either 100% correct, or it is worthless."

This is the statement that can cause more damage to Christianity than any statement by an atheist. In fact atheists DO say it, it is one of their strongest points.

The truth is that the Bible IS correct, but not always in the literal, plain reading sense, as my other thread shows in glaring detail. You make statements like that above, then people see the contradictions in the "plain reading" of the text and say, "well, that about does it for the Bible!"

People need to be taught that the Bible is wholly true and the holy Word of God, but that it can not always be read literally.

TheBear · Nov 20, 2003

Buck72 said:
What rules? How else can Matt 18:8-9 be interpreted but literally? And how can there be any hint of malfeasance on behalf of the literal Bible folk when it is YOUR pre-conceived notional opinions that you use to bend the Bible to meet YOUR understanding. I'm just reading it off the pages brother...no prejudice, just right off the text, and man does it read quite easiliy without my "interpretation" getting in the way!

As I have attempted to explain many times earlier, the LITERAL meaning of Matt 18:8-9, Christ is saying that obedience is better than physical wholeness. If we cannot obey, better we sever the offending member than to remain disobedient and face eternal judgement.

It's about obedience, and He takes it VERY seriously, as should we.

Mat 18:8 "If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire.

Mat 18:9 "If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.

He is absolutely speaking literal, He is saying whatever lengths are required to pursue holiness than take them! A person who has trouble with alcohol ought not think they can sip a little beer here and there and be alright, cut out that sin from you completely!

Why is this verse being brought out as a means to justify ignoring the six-day creation which is spelled out with even greater literality than this passage?

The Lord even created the seven-day week to comemorate the creation!

Has anyone even read the post detailing the Hebrew vocabulary that backs up "conservative fanatical fundamentalists" far-out "interpretations" of the six-day Genesis event?

The account of the creation of the universe in six days still is a "bone in the throat" to many Christians. Many point out that the word for "day" is yom , and is translated to 54 other words; however, 1181 of 1480 occurrences it is "day," and when used with a number it is always a literal day. But the real problem isn't the account in Genesis. It is in Exodus. In the middle of the Ten Commandments, the Creator Himself wrote it with His own finger in stone! (Chuck Missler, Nov 03, khouse.org)

Exo 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.

See also:

http://www.khouse.org/articles/technical/20031101-492.html

Oh, BTW....What does "bump" mean?

Buck,

Even though I am 100% in agreement with your interpretation of Matthew 18, we get our meaning of it by deductive reasoning and logic. Everything you stated is true, but it is not specifically stated verbatim the way you presented it.

I'll give you another example of where we have to go outside what is literally written.

Genesis 2:16-17

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

And we all know that it is written that Adam lived to be 930 years old. Justify this, using literal interpretation only.

Buck72 · Nov 20, 2003

Chi_Cygni said:
Buck72,

there are not PLENTY of scientists who argue that. In fact almost ZERO.

A few people, usually well out of the loop - or not even scientists at all.

You suffer from the well known malaise of 'It's all or nothing for the Bible'.

So be it then, for you.

Since the Bible is NOT inerrant, has hundreds of inconsistencies, I suggest you may well have to seek a new faith.

You can bury your head in the sand and accept the words of a few scientifically inept fools if you want.

Most Christians don't feel the need for this 100% or nothing.

Show me in scripture how anything you just wrote deserves any esteem whatsoever. You suggest I find a new faith? Are you nuts? Have you even read your Bible? I doubt you would have such a sincere "I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG" posture if you had actually visited its inerrant pages.

You are believing, and spreading a LIE.

If the Bible is not 100% then who says what is and isn't right? What does God say about His word?

Was Issac Newton one of your "scientifically inept fools"?
Oh, please name A SINGLE INCONSISTENCY from your supposed cache of "hundreds". I'll be waiting your response.

Also, it is a dangerous thing to speak on God's behalf concerning the mediocrity of His word. Please reconsider your previous statement.

Buck72 · Nov 20, 2003

TheBear said:
Buck,

Even though I am 100% in agreement with your interpretation of Matthew 18, we get our meaning of it by deductive reasoning and logic. Everything you stated is true, but it is not specifically stated verbatim the way you presented it.

I'll give you another example of where we have to go outside what is literally written.

Genesis 2:16-17

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

And we all know that it is written that Adam lived to be 930 years old. Justify this, using literal interpretation only.

Adam died the same day in that he discovered his nakedness and his offense against God seprated him from the presence of the LORD, forcing him outside the garden and commencing the fall of man into sin which continues today and will so until the return of Christ.

The death Adam suffered is the same death those outside Christ suffer today even while they have their breath.

Paul describes this clearly enough in Romans:

Rom 7:9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died;

Thus the same death Adam experienced from breaking the commandment came about as told by God in Genesis 2:17.

Christ set us free from the death of sin through His propitiation of the penalty of sin, and the death of flesh through the Resurrection, Himself becoming the firstborn of all Creation.

Deep stuff indeed, plenty to fill an entire page here, but clearly described and understood literally through comparitive analysis of the scriptures.

God always rewards the diligent seeker of the word - the Bible is TOTALLY INERRANT AS IS GOD HIMSELF.

Amen!!

Psa 130:5 I wait for the LORD, my soul does wait, And in His word do I hope.

Chi_Cygni · Nov 20, 2003

Buck72 said:
Show me in scripture how anything you just wrote deserves any esteem whatsoever. You suggest I find a new faith? Are you nuts? Have you even read your Bible? I doubt you would have such a sincere "I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG" posture if you had actually visited its inerrant pages.

You are believing, and spreading a LIE.

If the Bible is not 100% then who says what is and isn't right? What does God say about His word?

Was Issac Newton one of your "scientifically inept fools"?
Oh, please name A SINGLE INCONSISTENCY from your supposed cache of "hundreds". I'll be waiting your response.

Also, it is a dangerous thing to speak on God's behalf concerning the mediocrity of His word. Please reconsider your previous statement.

OK - it's official - you are a loon.

Only a fool wraps his entire life on having the Bible be 100% correct. Maybe it's 10% correct or 80% or 1% or 98% but it sure as heck isn't 100%.

And you are the one adopting a 'I'M WRIGHT, YOUR'E WRONG' posture.

I'm just pointing out that scinetific facts directly contradict scripture. PERIOD. Scripture is ergo not 100% accurate. LIVE WITH IT!!!!!!!!!

Isaac Newton was a creationist. Pretty much everyone was 400 years ago. They had no knowledge of things we now know to be true.

I am a Christian but my faith doesn't need the buttress of a MAN WRITTEN collection of Jewish Myth, fables and lunatic prophecy. That isn't all of the Bible but it is a good chunk.

Inconsistencies of the BIble:

Mmmm let me see - well posted on here recently I have seen

Who killed Goliath?
Value of Pi?
Order of Creation in Genesis?
Too many to mention in the Gospel accounts

Old chestnuts like where did Cain's wife come from?

Not inconsistencies but flat out falsehoods:

Noah's flood
Only Noah and his family are genetically responsible for all of us
Numerous historical inaccuracies
Creation account of Genesis
Herod being alive when Jesus was born if you believe birth at 1 BCE.
Exodus considered false by academic historians for the most part.

and on and on and on...................

TheBear · Nov 20, 2003

Buck72 said:
Adam died the same day in that he discovered his nakedness and his offense against God seprated him from the presence of the LORD, forcing him outside the garden and commencing the fall of man into sin which continues today and will so until the return of Christ.

The death Adam suffered is the same death those outside Christ suffer today even while they have their breath.

Paul describes this clearly enough in Romans:

Rom 7:9 I was once alive apart from the Law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died;

Thus the same death Adam experienced from breaking the commandment came about as told by God in Genesis 2:17.

Christ set us free from the death of sin through His propitiation of the penalty of sin, and the death of flesh through the Resurrection, Himself becoming the firstborn of all Creation.

Deep stuff indeed, plenty to fill an entire page here, but clearly described and understood literally through comparitive analysis of the scriptures.

God always rewards the diligent seeker of the word - the Bible is TOTALLY INERRANT AS IS GOD HIMSELF.

Amen!!

Psa 130:5 I wait for the LORD, my soul does wait, And in His word do I hope.

Not deep for me at all. Again, I agree with the spiritual death interpretation of Genesis 2:17.....But, it doesn't literally say that. Does it?

Here's another.....

Isaiah 11:12

12 He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Are there literally four corners of the earth, or is there an explaination other than what is literally written?

I'm going to continue feeding you these examples, one at a time, until you really start to see the fallacy and inconsistency of a strict literal interpretation.

Vance · Nov 20, 2003

"Oh, please name A SINGLE INCONSISTENCY from your supposed cache of "hundreds". I'll be waiting your response. "

You can start with the list I posted in this forum.

TheBear · Nov 20, 2003

Let's all take a deep breath and calm down a bit.

Christiangamer · Nov 20, 2003

God Created Earth, End of Story.

Don't concern yourselves with how He did it, just believe He did. Neither evolution or creation can be absolutely proved, and don't start an argument with me either. I'm not hear to do that. I am simply setting aside our DIFFERENCES, so that maybe this topic will end in a peaceful aggreement to dissaggree.

TheBear · Nov 20, 2003

Christiangamer said:
God Created Earth, End of Story.

Don't concern yourselves with how He did it, just believe He did. Neither evolution or creation can be absolutely proved, and don't start an argument with me either. I'm not hear to do that. I am simply setting aside our DIFFERENCES, so that maybe this topic will end in a peaceful aggreement to dissaggree.

Shall we just dismantle this entire website? Or perhaps only discuss things that we're all in agreement on? Preach to the choir? What would be the point of that?

Thing is, even though you may have good intentions here, the prupose for these forums and threads is to discuss our differences, and perhaps learn from each other. These discussions are of great interest to others also, who have no opinion one way or the other, but get a bit of an education in the process of reading along in these discussions.

Buck72 · Nov 21, 2003

TheBear said:
Not deep for me at all. Again, I agree with the spiritual death interpretation of Genesis 2:17.....But, it doesn't literally say that. Does it?

Here's another.....

Isaiah 11:12

12 He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Are there literally four corners of the earth, or is there an explaination other than what is literally written?

I'm going to continue feeding you these examples, one at a time, until you really start to see the fallacy and inconsistency of a strict literal interpretation.

Have you ever seen a compass? North, South, East, West.

Feed some more.

Buck72 · Nov 21, 2003

Vance said:
"Oh, please name A SINGLE INCONSISTENCY from your supposed cache of "hundreds". I'll be waiting your response. "

You can start with the list I posted in this forum.

Okay, pardon me for the loss of where in this forum you mean...it is getting pretty deep around here.

I can't wait to see them.

Buck72 · Nov 21, 2003

Congratulations Chi! You've broken the record for most amusing post I've seen yet! You're obviously joking...no one can really be that lost and make it home at the end of the day.

But, in case you really believe this nonsense, I'll answer your questions, I've been more than accomodating.

Chi_Cygni said:
OK - it's official - you are a loon

Wow...official? And who would the officiating officer be? You?

People called Christ a loon, Paul too, in fact, most all of the prophets and apostles were ridiculed, beaten, and murdered for their faith. If being called a loon is a way of identifying with Christ, (a servant is no greater than his Master (John 13:16) thankyou for the blessing!

Oh, by the way - before you go on in your arrogant insolence and should suddenly find yourself before the THRONE OF GOD, please pay respect to the caution that Christ gives here:

Mat 5:22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

It would do you well to pray through this, since your such a strong christian, that way you won't have to worry about eating your own words.

Only a fool wraps his entire life on having the Bible be 100% correct.

Wrong again:

Pro 13:13 The one who despises the word will be in debt to it, But the one who fears the commandment will be rewarded.
Pro 16:20 He who gives attention to the word will find good, And blessed is he who trusts in the LORD.
Psa 18:30 As for God, His way is blameless; The word of the LORD is tried; He is a shield to all who take refuge in Him.
Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments; His praise endures forever.
Psa 112:1 Praise the LORD! How blessed is the man who fears the LORD, Who greatly delights in His commandments.
Isa 5:24 Therefore, as a tongue of fire consumes stubble And dry grass collapses into the flame, So their root will become like rot and their blossom blow away as dust; For they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isa 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.
Eze 12:28 "Therefore say to them, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "None of My words will be delayed any longer. Whatever word I speak will be performed,"'" declares the Lord GOD.
Deu 4:2 "You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deu 17:19 "It shall be with him and he shall read it all the days of his life, that he may learn to fear the LORD his God, by carefully observing all the words of this law and these statutes,
Deu 28:58 "If you are not careful to observe all the words of this law which are written in this book, to fear this honored and awesome name, the LORD your God,
Deu 28:59 then the LORD will bring extraordinary plagues on you and your descendants, even severe and lasting plagues, and miserable and chronic sicknesses.
Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"
Luk 11:28 But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."
1Th 2:13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
2Ti 2:15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Heb 11:3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.
1Pe 1:23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.
2Pe 3:5-7 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water. But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
1Jo 2:5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Ecc 12:13 The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person.

Maybe it's 10% correct or 80% or 1% or 98% but it sure as heck isn't 100%.

Says "Chi"? Are you now the consultant to the ALMIGHTY about what is and isn't correct? Please, enlighten us Chi....we're floundering in the dark without your wonderous abilities of discernment.

And you are the one adopting a 'I'M WRIGHT, YOUR'E WRONG' posture.

Buck is not right. God's word is right. Buck believes God's word and walks accordingly as best as he can. Buck is not perfect, in fact far from it. He is cleansed in the Blood, and contends for his faith among a host of supposed believers that argue the Bible is wrong and Buck is a loon for believing it is not wrong. I'm sorry....you're point was?

I'm just pointing out that scinetific facts directly contradict scripture. PERIOD. Scripture is ergo not 100% accurate. LIVE WITH IT!!!!!!!!!

You know, most believers have an internal alarm called a conscience that alerts them to matters contradicting scripture. You, however like to use puncuation to express your point...I prefer to use scripture. And I'll live quite comfortably knowing that I am secure - where are you Chi? Out railing against christians because they believe the entire Bible? Is that a new fad in Christianity? I's a popular one in this forum now isn't it?

Isaac Newton was a creationist. Pretty much everyone was 400 years ago. They had no knowledge of things we now know to be true.

Okay, God's word is now outdated. Throw out the Bibles because we have a new faith called: Evolution. Yea! No more Bible. Satan must be laughing his rosy cheeks off.

Sir Newton did more for science believing in Creation than any of these modern bed-wetting half-wits that espouse evolution in a mindless, mantra-like fashion. You have chosen your side...now you live with it.

I am a Christian but my faith doesn't need the buttress of a MAN WRITTEN collection of Jewish Myth, fables and lunatic prophecy.

A Christian huh? Why? Why do you call yourself a Christian? You have not a single clue about the things that you revile yet you claim to be a member of the faith? No wonder the faith is so impotent in our country today - again Satan's laughter is deafening.
Also, tell me about this marvelous faith you have and how it compares to that which Christ commends. Paul writes that faith comes from hearing the Word of God: Take a tour through Hebrews 11, and then get back to me about your faith. I'm serious. I'd like to hear your take on Hebrews 11 and what faith really is.

Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Heb 11:1-3 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the men of old gained approval. By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Please ponder this one also:

Pro 18:2 A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind.

Buck72 · Nov 21, 2003

MEMORADUM FOR RECORD:

We have had a major challenge to the integrity of God's word, and a little uprising against the host of this thread because of holding to the scripture as being infallible. That is a common in this forum where evolution is more important than the Word of God. Rather than meander back to the YEC corner...I choose to hold my ground...since that "ground" is Christ Himself, I won't be budged anytime soon.

Chi_Cygni said:
Who killed Goliath?

1Sa 17:2 And Saul and the men of Israel were gathered together, and pitched by the valley of Elah, and set the battle in array against the Philistines.
1Sa 17:50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but [there was] no sword in the hand of David.

AND

2Sa 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob (different battle, different place) with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite (different guy), slew [the brother of] Goliath the Gittite (different guy), the staff of whose spear [was] like a weaver's beam.

Looks like two completely separate eventsthe diligent student finds the answer, the scoffer finds an excuse. God wins.

Chi_Cygni said:
Value of Pi?

Your question is an incomplete sentenceplease rephrase in English.

Chi_Cygni said:
Order of Creation in Genesis?

A careful reading of the two chapters will show the solution for each of the supposed contradictions.

Explanation of supposed contradiction a:

Chapter 1 tells the entire story in the order it happened.

Gen. 2:4-6 gives a quick summary of the first five days of creation.
Gen. 2:7-25 is describing only the events that took place on day 6 in the Garden of Eden

The trees described in Genesis 2:8 are only in the Garden (the rest of the world is already full of trees from day 3). The purpose of this second creation of trees may have been to let Adam see that God did have power to create, that He was not just taking credit for the existing world. Notice that the second creation of trees was still on day 6 and was only those trees that are "pleasant to the sight and good for food."

Explanation of supposed contradiction b:

The birds created out of the ground on day 6 are only one of each "kind" so that Adam can name them and select a wife. The rest of the world is full of birds from day 5.

Explanation of supposed contradiction c:

Genesis 2:19 is describing only the animals created in the Garden, after man. The purpose of this second batch of animals being created was so that Adam could name them (Gen. 2:19) and select a wife (Gen. 2:20). Adam, not finding a suitable one (God knew he wouldn't), God made Eve (Gen. 2:21-22).

There are no contradictions between these two chapters. Chapter 2 only describes in more detail the events in the Garden of Eden on day 6. If ancient man had written the Bible (as some scoffers say), he would never have made it say that the light was made before the sun! Many ancient cultures worshiped the sun as the source of life. God is light. God made the light before He made the sun so we could see that He (not the sun) is the source of life.

Chi_Cygni said:
Too many to mention in the Gospel accounts

Too many what? Please, name some...okay name ONE.

Chi_Cygni said:
Old chestnuts like where did Cain's wife come from?

Ah...a favorite of many Bible haters. Adam lived to be 930you can have lots of kids in that time. No law yet about marrying sisters, nor any genetic problems since the gene pool is pretty pure at this point. Mustve married his sister(s).

Chi_Cygni said:
Not inconsistencies but flat out falsehoods

(According to Chi, we can only presume)

Chi_Cygni said:
Noah's flood

Nope, it really happened. It is just too big a pill to swallow for evolutionists since it takes the billion-year process down to a few minutes. Study up on Mt St Helen for a geophyical lesson in apparant vs. actual.

Chi_Cygni said:
Only Noah and his family are genetically responsible for all of us

Actually our lineage goes back to Adam/EveNoah (and his brothers) take the credit for the repopulation after the Flood. It is also absolutely possible that eight people could populate the earth to present day levels in 4,000-ish years. Think quadratic multiples.

Chi_Cygni said:
Numerous historical inaccuracies

Okay NAME SOME! You said hundreds of inconsistencies, so far I count EIGHT.

Chi_Cygni said:
Creation account of Genesis

Repeating yourself will not count for extra.

Chi_Cygni said:
Herod being alive when Jesus was born if you believe birth at 1 BCE

.

Does the Bible say: One BC? (Nice use of the modern, pagan BCEcant have Christ in history anymore can we?)

Exodus considered false by academic historians for the most part

.

Who are these academic historians? Historians rewrite history all the time. There are historians that believe Christ had a wife or wivesoops, guess theyre WRONG arent they? Are the ten commandments "false"? Did God not write "six days" on the tablets in Exo. 20:11 to commerate the Creation? Did the Hebrews flee Egypt? Dude...do your homework before you believe that kind of trash.

Chi_Cygni said:
and on and on and on...................

Nowhere are the hundreds you promised?

I apologize for my terse tone in these past few posts, but I am getting weary of the Bible-bashing going on in these forumsany student of the word can find the truths as self-evident. I never even knew of a contradiction about who killed Goliath until I looked up verses pertaining to Goliath. After careful study I found that it was two different locations, men, and Goliaths (one was the brother).

I suppose it is easier for some to scoff and make excuses why they cannot stay faithful.

PleaseI beg you people, just submit to Christ, stop fighting with people that have submitted and are holding fast to the truth of the Word.

Doesnt the Church have work to do in this world? Shouldnt we be about our Masters business of winning souls? How do you win souls if you cannot even believe the basics like SIX DAYS?

The Creation Took SIX LITERAL DAYS - Discuss

Do you believe the Genesis account literally?

Yes

No

I'm not sure

NON-WOKED

NON-WOKED

The Watchman

Contributor

The Watchman

Well-Known Member

Contributor

NON-WOKED

The Watchman

The Watchman

Well-Known Member

NON-WOKED

Contributor

NON-WOKED

"saved" agnostic

NON-WOKED

The Watchman

The Watchman

The Watchman

The Watchman

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency