The counterfeit Christ

[Colossians]

Jesus told us that there will be many who will come saying "I am the Christ".
Most young believers view this in an eschatalogical framework: they see it as overt, blatant, declarations by would-be leaders in the end of the earth.
But as you mature in Christ, you start to see counterfeit Christ's almost everywhere.

Counterfeit Christ's of course are most at home amongst Christians: (it is them they wish to deceive). No use being a counterfeit Christ in a gambling house or disco. Got to be where the Christians are.

Signs of the counterfeit Christ:
1. "Christ does not know all things, and therefore has to investigate them before making a judgement."
Error: lack of omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence
Chief repository for this error: The Seventh Day Adventist cult.

2. "Christ wants us to (do something)"
Error : Christ ('over there') is external to us ('over here'). He is not one spirit with us, but someone trying to teach us 'from a distance'.
Chief repository for this error: The institutional church, the enclaves of 'good idea' Christianity, the fleshly mind.

3. "In order for me to receive the benefits of Christ's love (chief of which is salvation), I must love Him back."
Error: Circularly defined love (Christ's love is not an absolute, but is contingent upon that which it begets).
Chief repository for this error:The Seventh Day Adventist cult, and other lesser known legalist cults.)

4. "If I don't speak with tongues, I am not saved".
Error: Requirement for an external evidence for my salvation.
Chief repository for this error: eccentric pentecostal cults (not to be confused with genuine pentecostal churches such as the Assemblies of God).

5. (The eroneous question to non-believers): "Have you received the Holy Spirit".
Error: Blasphemy (indicating that the Holy Spirit wishes to usurp the place of Him whom He glorifies (Christ Jesus) - placing the 3rd person of God in a distorted role, disfiguring the beauty of the Godhead, and tacitly denegrating the name of Jesus.



Signs of the true Christ:

Concerning the Initiator (God):

1. "Jesus is Lord."
2. "Jesus is the Son of God"
3. "Jesus is God the Son"
4. "Jesus is under the authority of His Father, who is also God."
5a. "The Father and the Son are jointly glorifed by the Holy Spirit, who is also God."
5b. "The Holy Spirit (who is God) speaks not about Himself, but all His work is to glorify the Father and the Son."


Concerning the Responder (the Body/Bride):

God has crucified our old man, so that we now serve in newness of the Spirit. This entails an irresistable grace in all facets of our lives, so that doing His will will be effortless, in the sense that it will be irresistably drawn by the Holy Spirit.
Any apparent failure to do this, will not be because the New Man failed to obey, but simply an evidence of the old man extant within the human being (by virtue of his being a creature of time), which old man has been crucifed not merely conceptually or metaphorically, but literally, by God Himself. Because this old man is in actuality crucified, his activities do not affect our salvation, for our New Man is already passed from death into life.

Thus we may declare boldy: "My grace is suffient for you"

 

[Achichem]

Hey Colossians,
just got back from the feast of tabernacles, it was very moving,I wish you were there
celebrating with me.

I agree, one with sight of the spirit should see counterfeit christs everywhere embedded within the christians, not outside.

However I must say I do not agree with any style of howling unto the wind, but I must say it is an important point you bring to the table, there must be signs that point one out.

However your signs bring up some questions:

. 1."Christ does not know all things, and therefore has to investigate them before making a judgement."

Error: lack of omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence
Chief repository for this error: The Seventh Day Adventist cult.

After hearing about the SDA from a new friend I met at the feast, I must say I agree completely, but I have never seen this in their literature or postings, where did you get such, do you often commence in debate with them, or were you once one?

2. "Christ wants us to (do something)"

Error : Christ ('over there') is external to us ('over here'). He is not one spirit with us, but someone trying to teach us 'from a distance'.

Chief repository for this error: The institutional church, the enclaves of 'good idea' Christianity, the fleshly mind.

An interesting one, however I have a question about it? Of course Christ wants to live through us, and we must allow him to do such, so then the question is how do you define something? For surly if there is 1000 steps to God, God would take 999 of them, but surly we must take our one. Or do you believe God(the spirit) lives in all men?

3. "In order for me to receive the benefits of Christ's love (chief of which is salvation), I must love Him back."

Error: Circularly defined love (Christ's love is not an absolute, but is contingent upon that which it begets).

Chief repository for this error:The Seventh Day Adventist cult, and other lesser known legalist cults.)

Since I know your definition of lesser-known legalist cults, and that you include me.
I will reply as:

God gives gifts to both for the wicked man and the righteous man,
Salvation as well as all benefits of God are gifts given by God (before anything) and either received or not received by a man.
Do you really think that means such?

4. "If I don't speak with tongues, I am not saved".

Error: Requirement for an external evidence for my salvation.
Chief repository for this error: eccentric pentecostal cults (not to be confused with genuine pentecostal churches such as the Assemblies of God).

I believe we call that is a direct attack at a church, and would not classify such as a general sign. More appropriate would be if it were:

Those who put any type of restriction on salvation, other then loving the Lord Our God with all ones heart and with all ones soul.

5. (The eroneous question to non-believers): "Have you received the Holy Spirit".

Error: Blasphemy (indicating that the Holy Spirit wishes to usurp the place of Him whom He glorifies (Christ Jesus) - placing the 3rd person of God in a distorted role, disfiguring the beauty of the Godhead, and tacitly denegrating the name of Jesus.

I do not quite understand(as I am sure others do not), perhaps consider revision.
I agree with you,the error you placed is wrong, However the sign it self is unclear.

Anyways, I will sleep on it, and perhaps come up with some alternative to be discussed,

Hope to hear from you soon,
God Bless,
DaTsar

 

[thebeast]

Almost every Televangelist calls himself "Christ" or anointed, same word. So these are the false christs, since they proclaim to be anointed by God, when in fact, God didn't anoint them. And most of them teach about the rapture, which is false, so they in fact also teach heresies.

 

[look]

Almost every Televangelist calls himself "Christ" or anointed, same word. So these are the false christs, since they proclaim to be anointed by God, when in fact, God didn't anoint them. And most of them teach about the rapture, which is false, so they in fact also teach heresies.

I don' know of any televanglist who calls himself the Christ, that's called "poisoning the well". However, they are anointed by the Holy Spirit to continue the work Jesus charged us with. That is why Jesus told the disciples to tarry in Jerusalem for the promise of the Father and to be indued with power...We are partakers of His anointing and that's the reason satan has biased Christians against the gifts of the Holy Ghost, to render them powerless in the execution of our mandate which came from Jesus. This suits satan just fine, it makes it easier to rule without much interference from us.

That having been said, how do you explain these verses?

• 1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
• Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
• Heb 6:4 For [it is] impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
• 1Jo 2:20 And ye have an anointing from the Holy One, and have known all things; (Young's Literal translation)
• 1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

It seems that you have been indoctrinated by someone's man-made religion, but it is not the truth, as I have shown you in just five different places in the scriptures...If you have been born-again, then you have an anointing from God abiding in you...

As far as the Rapture goes, that's off topic and will not be addressed by me in this thread, if you want to talk about the Rapture as heresy, then I would suggest you go on over to the Eschatology forum and discuss that over there, a more suitable forum...

 

[SavedByGrace3]

The problem with you post "thebeast" is that it leaves no room for truely anointed ministers. Reading your post, it sounds like everyone in the world is the false. Which is likely what you would eventually say.

Also, this is a Christian only area.

 

[brotherjim]

Counterfeit Christ's of course are most at home amongst Christians: (it is them they wish to deceive). No use being a counterfeit Christ in a gambling house or disco. Got to be where the Christians are.

Agreed.

Virtually all born-again "christians" in the world today, especially here in Western society, do not worship the God of the Bible.

Each have taken those portions of the scripture that they like and can easily digest, and from that alone they fashion within themselves an idol of the heart. They worship not the God of the Bible in spirit and in Truth, but worship only the idol they have fashioned Him into, in the flesh and in error.

Those portions of the scripture not liked, through self-justification for their lack of obedience and belief, they twist and pervert and jam into the confines of their own personal opinions.

For example, while the Word is quite clear that eternal salvation in this lifetime is only obtained when we walk in the Grace of God's Love (Lk. 10:25-28; 1 Jn. 2:3-5, 1 Jn. 4:16-16; etc.; etc.), the vast majority will pervert this by saying such is a work of the flesh, when in Truth we can only walk in God's Love with God's Grace, which is readily available and is why it's a requirement for salvation.

We are saved only by Grace, quite true, but the perverts of the Word will say this Grace is only the Grace of the New Birth, whereas the Word is quite plain and clear that many steps of Grace are required.

As another example, the perverts of the Word will say that God does not require us to do anything beyond the New Birth, when in Truth the Lord says in the OT that one day He will write His Laws upon our hearts. Well, since God does not engage in exercise of futility, he must have a purpose for ordaining His Laws be written upon our hearts. That purpose is because only when those Laws of Love are so written, and the additional Graces of the Spirit of God are attached, can we then obey themas required.

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that the born-again experience equals eternal life - albeit it it is a necessary first step, for without it we cannot even see the Kingdom much less obtain it - and yet the perverts of the Word will twist and bend the Word to make it appear otherwise.

Each must for their own selves, with the Holy Ghost as Guide, determine what is true and what a lie - the latter quite prevalent in both the church and these forums.

You who pervert the Word of God, and teach others to do likewise, I beseech you on behalf of Christ Jesus, please stop before it is too late for you.

In His Love for even the perverts, brother jim

 

[brotherjim]

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep His Commandments.

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"He that says, I know him, and does not keep His Commandments, is a liar, and the Truth is not in him.


[/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]"But whoever keep His Word, in him verily is the Love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him."


- God in 1 John (and not the personal opinion of perverts and "liars").
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[Colossians]

Datsar,

Christ wants to live through us, and we must allow him to do such
This is error number 2: to externalise God, and to invoke "voluntary humility" (Col 2:18).

If one allows God to work through him, the allowing is itself a work of God, for it is in the positive toward God, which positive will only ever be worked by God. Man does not want God. Only God wants God.

This is why one must be crucified, and born again.

 

[brotherjim]

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Luke 10:25 [/font][font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? [/font]

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? [/font]

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. [/font]

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. [/font]

[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]If our personally held beliefs/opinions do not line up with the "whole counsel" of God's Holy Word, we can know that we are living a lie, and perverting His Word, and therefore are an enemy of the Cross of Christ Jesus.[/font]