The Council of Nicea

For school history, I require the use of multiple secondary and multiple primary sources. Its easier to develop an accurate understanding in that way ....

I am not familiar with much of the information you've presented -- perhaps you could share sources ?

Say what??

Gary51 said:

In 325 A.D., the Catholic Church convened the Council of Nicea.

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Or as it was called then, the Church.

The Passover was in controversy and the Catholic Church wanted to be rid of it, since it wanted to be fully separate from all ties that associated it with the true Church of God, which faithfully observed the yearly Passover.

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Boy, now there's a prime example of "made up from whole cloth".

it also wanted to distance itself from Judaism.

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For the good reason that Judaism denies the resurrection of our Lord, and that He is God Incarnate.

The annual observance of Passover was

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replaced with the observance of Easter, which itself was rife with pagan practices (eggs, rabbits, fertility, hot cross buns, sunrise worship of the sun god, the resurrection of Tammuz, and the queen of heaven—Ishtar and Ashtoreth).

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The folks at Nicea had never heard of the term "Easter", and the Church already celebrated the resurrection of our Lord for the simple reason that it is absolutely essential to our faith. All the "pagan practices" you've mentioned were either invented long centuries after Nicea , or never had anything to do with our celebration of our Lord's victory over death at all.

God did not establish a holy observance for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but only for His death in the observance of the yearly Passover. So we're supposed to celebrate the foreshadow and ignore the reality, zat it? That's ridiculous.

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The Catholic Church even perverted the Passover observance by instituting weekly Communion.

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The Church has celebrated communion back to the 1st century.

The taking of a piece of unleavened bread and the drinking of a small amount of wine is a yearly observance

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Only if you're a 21st century Baptist.

Jesus Christ had already risen before Sunday even began.

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So you do believe that He is risen, you just don't want us to celebrate that fact. I see.

Same old made-up claptrap

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The true Jesus Christ is not the one pictured with long hair, hanging lifelessly on a cross that the Catholic Church has deceived people into worshipping. Jesus Christ is God and He did die for our sins as our Passover, but He is very much alive and He exercises great power within the Church. He is about to return as His name Messiah (Christ) means, as the King of all kings who will reign for 1,000 years on earth over all mankind.

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Hi. Try convincing the Jews and Muslims of Jesus being YHWH His Father.
The Muslims also believe Jesus is returning.

http://foru.ms/t5615012-jesus-christ-was-he-sent-for-all-mankind.html
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Hello.We muslims believe he was sent to the sons of Israel not for all mankind.This doesnt mean the one who follows Him in real does a wrong job but this is God's plan for He sent Muhammed-aleyhissalam-to all mankind.Which proofs do christians have to claim that Jesus was sent to entire humanity and not only to the israelites?

Gary51 said:

In 325 A.D., the Catholic Church convened the Council of Nicea. I will simply cover the highlights of this momentous event. The Passover was in controversy and the Catholic Church wanted to be rid of it, since it wanted to be fully separate from all ties that associated it with the true Church of God, which faithfully observed the yearly Passover. It also wanted to distance itself from Judaism. The annual observance of Passover was replaced with the observance of Easter, which itself was rife with pagan practices (eggs, rabbits, fertility, hot cross buns, sunrise worship of the sun god, the resurrection of Tammuz, and the queen of heaven—Ishtar and Ashtoreth).

God did not establish a holy observance for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but only for His death in the observance of the yearly Passover. The Catholic Church even perverted the Passover observance by instituting weekly Communion. The taking of a piece of unleavened bread and the drinking of a small amount of wine is a yearly observance God commanded His Church, called Passover, which represents the religious significance of Christ’s broken body and the blood that He poured out for our sins. By substituting Easter for Passover, the Catholic Church was also attempting to give credibility to Sunday worship rather than the seventh-day Sabbath. By observing Easter and saying that Jesus Christ was resurrected at sunrise on a Sunday morning, it could then say Christ should be worshiped on Sundays.

Jesus Christ had already risen before Sunday even began. He was resurrected just prior to sundown on the seventh day, before the first day of the week began. God gave man the method of how to count a day, counting from the moment of sundown of one day to the moment of sundown of the next. As an example, throughout the Bible the weekly seventhday Sabbath was always observed from sundown on the sixth day (Friday) to sundown on the seventh day (Saturday). The early Greeks and Romans used the method of counting a day from midnight to midnight. Not only did the Council of Nicea seek to destroy the true identity of Jesus Christ by instituting Easter, it also sought to destroy knowledge of the true identity of the Eternal God by instituting the perverted, sick and damnable doctrine of the Trinity. These two doctrines have been Satan’s greatest and most fruitful attempts to deceive mankind into greater ignorance of who Jesus Christ and God the Father are.

The true Jesus Christ is not the one pictured with long hair, hanging lifelessly on a cross that the Catholic Church has deceived people into worshipping. Jesus Christ is God and He did die for our sins as our Passover, but He is very much alive and He exercises great power within the Church. He is about to return as His name Messiah (Christ) means, as the King of all kings who will reign for 1,000 years on earth over all mankind.

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So that is what the Church of England teaches? who woulda thunk. Any sources for that?

God did not establish a holy observance for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, but only for His death in the observance of the yearly Passover.

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Technically you are correct.

Heaven did rejoice at the Birth of Jesus who was to die and be ressurected for the salvation of humanity.

Your argument is more the letter of the law then the Spirit of the gospel.

Peace

what a pathetic bunch of crap

Gary51 said:

The Catholic Church even perverted the Passover observance by instituting weekly Communion.

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Might want to read the Didache...

jckstraw72 said:

what a pathetic bunch of crap

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Which part?

James 5:8 be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts/kardiaV <2588> of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> ;

2 Peter 3:4 and saying, `Where is the promise of the ParousiaV <3952> of Him? for since which the fathers were-reposed, all/panta <3956> thus is continuing from beginning of creation;'

the OP part

SpiritMeadow said:

So that is what the Church of England teaches? who woulda thunk. Any sources for that?

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It seems to be a mish mash of Bapticostal/Messianic/Adventist form of something......not something that Anglicans usually spout, although they do have differing beliefs....maybe some Anglicans can jump in and sort it out for us......

Someone leave a dresser drawer open

The Catholic Church even perverted the Passover observance by instituting weekly Communion.

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Shall I post primary documents refuting this fantasy ? ...

Oblio said:

Someone leave a dresser drawer open



Shall I post primary documents refuting this fantasy ? ...

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might be a good "sticky"

Very well ...

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.ii.lxvii.html

Chapter LXVII.&#8212;Weekly worship of the Christians.

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son 186 Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given,and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

St. Justin Martyr ca. 120 AD

Just a quick note...the General Theology guidelines require the affirmation of the theology developed at Nicaea. One is not required to be "Creedal," per se, but posts must be in line with the condemnation of heresies to include Arianism. As such, one must affirm that Christ is of the same substance and is co-eternal with the Father. Else...this will be moved to Non-Nicene Theology.

Carry on.

Found it.


http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...ion+of+Jesus+Christ"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


http://www.hwacompendium.com/


Peace

Armstrongism:

Other non-mainstream teachings

* God will soon set up His government on earth, under the rule of Jesus the Christ at his second coming, rescuing humanity from sin and self-annihilation, inspiring mankind to voluntarily turn to God's law, and ushering in a 1000 year period of peace, prosperity, and justice under the rule of the children of God, who are the biblical saints and faithful members of the Worldwide Church of God who are "born again" as spirit in the 1st resurrection (see below) at Jesus' return to the Earth.
* Non-believers, though responsible for their sins and therefore reaping what they sow in terms of "cause and effect", are not yet eternally judged, having a future opportunity for salvation after a mortal resurrection (the 2nd resurrection, see below) when they could accept the call of God to live under God's eternal laws, though individuals could still choose to reject salvation and then receive condemnation.
* The vast majority of all people who have ever lived will be saved, thus the relatively small number of true Christians of this age are predestined to be merely the early "firstfruits" of God's harvest to help teach the majority of humanity raised by the 2nd resurrection (see below).
* The strict observance of the ten commandments is a voluntary response of Christians to receiving the unearned gift of salvation. The ten commandments are an eternal and inexorable law set in motion by God which brings about every good effect when obeyed, but which exact pain, suffering, and eventually death (especially an ultimate spiritual death) when violated.
* The Holy Days of the Old Testament are still to be observed by Christians, and teach symbolically the seven steps of God's master plan of salvation for humanity.
* A system of tithing in which 10% of one's total increase is donated to the church ("first tithe") for its operation and for sharing the gospel with the world; a second 10% was to be saved for the Christian family's expenses during the Holy Days ("second tithe"), and during the third and sixth year of each seven-year cycle, a third 10% was to be used for the indigent, widows, and orphans within the church ("third tithe").
* Abstinence of eating "unclean meats" listed in the Old Testament such as pork, shellfish, etc. Armstrong argued this was liberation from the penalties of breaking laws of health (disease, infirmity, degenerative conditions etc), of which this is but one law.
* God's children are not actually "born again" into spirit until after the return of Jesus to the Earth.
* The "sleep" state of the dead, meaning the dead have not yet been judged, rewarded, or condemned, but rather wait to be resurrected.
* A celestial heaven apart from the created universe is not the reward of saved humans, but rather the remade Earth under the rulership and personal presence of God, i.e. heaven (God's presence) is coming to Earth.
* Punishment of the incorrigible is not an eternity in hell, but rather a merciful annihilation by the edict of God.
* Humans are completely mortal (i.e. do not possess an immortal "soul"), but salvation is the free, unearned gift of eternal life in God's family as children of God, given upon the prerequisite of faith in God and repentance from sin, which then results in a motivation to completely observe God's eternal laws.
* Three resurrections of the dead &#8212; (1) faithful believers as the first fruit harvest at Jesus' second coming, (2) non-believers temporarily resurrected to mortality for an opportunity to learn and accept God's way, (3) resurrection to final judgment of the incorrigibly wicked&#8212;those whose minds had been fully opened to God's truth, either in this age or after the second resurrection, and rejected it&#8212;mainly those truly called but who fell away, and those who incorrigibly rebel in the "Wonderful World Tomorrow"

Beliefs about God and his Church

* Two great Beings, God the Father and the Word make up the God family. The Holy Spirit, the power and mind of God, was an impersonal force or energy that could be given by God to dwell in those people he called into the Church.
* The God family created everything in the universe.
* The Bible (Old and New Testaments) is the complete and infallible revelation by God to man, although humanity's understanding of the Bible is fallible.
* The Word was made flesh as Jesus Christ, was sacrificed for the forgiveness of our sins, was resurrected, and established and guided the new covenant Church.
* The Worldwide Church of God was God's only true church.
* Herbert W. Armstrong was an apostle of God, a latter-day type of Elijah.
* Church members were selected and called into the true Church by God. Members were baptized as adults by complete immersion in water, and by the laying on of hands they received the Holy Spirit.
* Man was created to develop the character to join God's family, as children of God.
* Man is saved by grace, but man must also spend a lifetime of overcoming sin and practicing obedience to God's laws. Satan and his demons do everything in their power to prevent this from happening.
* Three resurrections: 1. Those who die in the faith (baptised members of the WCG); 2. Those who die but were not called into the WCG (the vast majority of humanity); 3. Those who were called into the WCG, but who reject their calling to salvation.
* Not everyone is to be called for salvation in this life. Those not called for salvation will be called in the second resurrection.
* The Church government was governed from the top down. The final tier of this government was the family unit: the husband was the head of the household, as Jesus was the head of the Church.

[edit] Beliefs about sin and the commandments

Sin is the transgression of God's law. The penalty for sin is death. The law consists of instructions from God in the Bible, including Old Testament laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy:

* The Ten Commandments, most notably the seventh day Sabbath
* Clean and unclean meats&#8212;extended to checking ingredient labels for lard, gelatin, and pork byproducts
* Tithing&#8212;three separate tithes (described below under Tithing)
* non-observance of pagan traditions (Christmas [12], Easter, Halloween, and birthday celebration)

* Levitical Holy Days:

* Passover
* Feast of Unleavened Bread
* Pentecost
* Feast of Trumpets
* Day of Atonement
* The Feast of Tabernacles
* Last Great Day the eighth day after Tabernacles begins; Leviticus 23:36,39 and John 7:37-38

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