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The cosmological argument

Nooj

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If you're asking about the composition or nature of the Universe before the expansion, my answer is that I don't know.

In other words you have no idea and the entire concept behind your argument is that you don't know.
Is there something wrong with saying that I don't know?
 
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Who in this thread is arguing what the Universe before the Big Bang couldn't be?
Eh, O.K.
I looked back on the thread and you have a point.

But if you don't know then there is no reason to doubt that the universe came into existence from nothing.

You asked if you're missing something.

1. An actually infinite number of things cannot exist.
2. A beginningless series of events in time entails an actually infinite number of things.
3. Therefore, a beginningless series of events in time cannot exist.

1. The series of events in time is a collection formed by adding one number after another.
2. A collection formed by adding one member after another cannot be actually infinite.
3. Therefore, the series of events in time cannot be actually infinte.

2. The universe began to exist
I don't accept the second premise, because the evidence doesn't support it.
The only reason it doesn't support it is because it would have to account for God.
Which would be harder to explain. Only because God would have to be explained.
And as far as I know, science can't even explain a simple, basic emotion.
Technically, things like love and hate don't exist.
So even if the existence of God was a universal truth, it would be beyond science to explain it.
 
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