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The Continuum Concept

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Has anyone read The Continuum Concept here? I absolutely loved that book and I am parenting my son in a CCish way. Of course, my main influencer in my parenting is God's Word but I do appreciate this view of parenting. It is a balanced approach to natural parenting (neither child centered nor parent centered). However, I also incorporate some more "mainstream" concepts in my parenting. Basically, I do what feels right for my family but TCC definitely has had a strong impact on me as a mother.

So, I'd love to get to know other moms who have read this book and loved it as much as I did.

I'd post the image of the book but I don't have enough post counts to do so. Sorry.
 

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I've heard discussion about it, but haven't read the book yet. Its very crunchy. As I recall it comes from a lady that has no children who goes and sees tribes and how they parent and how their way is better. I may read it at some point if the library has it but there are other things I want to read first. You can read part of it on amazon.com
 
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me neither.

If it is crunchy as illinoismommy says, I am probably not going to be "into" it. I'm just not terribly "crunchy" myself.

Oh come on, live a little ;) .... I'm not big into nonparents telling parents how it should be but maybe we should both read it just to experience something different....
 
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Well, ladies, I am definitely not someone you would label "crunchy". If you saw me on the street, you'd label me mainstream ;) I don't agree with anything other than God's word verbatim but I tell you that there was definitely something to Liedloff's ideas. Illinoismommy is right, it's about a woman who spent time living amongst the Yequana tribe and studied the tribal dynamic and arrived at certain conclusions. I enjoyed it not because it was "crunchy" but because I enjoyed the anthropological angle of it all. I find that subject pretty interesting.

I'd love to talk about it here as on MDC I was chased away from the CCish thread that is active there for being too mainstream and incorporating any authoritarian style of parenting on any level. However, I don't believe that TCC is anti-parental authority. If anything, there was definitely a distinction between the adults and the children that came about due to an understood authority of the parents. It was just not emphasized on the conscious level, it was more of an understood thing.

Anyway, this is taken from her site:

According to Jean Liedloff, the continuum concept is the idea that in order to achieve optimal physical, mental and emotional development, human beings — especially babies — require the kind of experience to which our species adapted during the long process of our evolution. For an infant, these include such experiences as...
  • constant physical contact with his mother (or another familiar caregiver as needed) from birth;
  • sleeping in his parents' bed, in constant physical contact, until he leaves of his own volition (often about two years);
  • breastfeeding "on cue" — nursing in response to his own body's signals;
  • being constantly carried in arms or otherwise in contact with someone, usually his mother, and allowed to observe (or nurse, or sleep) while the person carrying him goes about his or her business — until the infant begins creeping, then crawling on his own impulse, usually at six to eight months;
  • having caregivers immediately respond to his signals (squirming, crying, etc.), without judgment, displeasure, or invalidation of his needs, yet showing no undue concern nor making him the constant center of attention;
  • sensing (and fulfilling) his elders' expectations that he is innately social and cooperative and has strong self-preservation instincts, and that he is welcome and worthy.
In contrast, a baby subjected to modern Western childbirth and child-care practices often experiences...
  • traumatic separation from his mother at birth due to medical intervention and placement in maternity wards, in physical isolation except for the sound of other crying newborns, with the majority of male babies further traumatized by medically unnecessary circumcision surgery;
  • at home, sleeping alone and isolated, often after "crying himself to sleep";
  • scheduled feeding, with his natural nursing impulses often ignored or "pacified";
  • being excluded and separated from normal adult activities, relegated for hours on end to a nursery, crib or playpen where he is inadequately stimulated by toys and other inanimate objects;
  • caregivers often ignoring, discouraging, belittling or even punishing him when he cries or otherwise signals his needs; or else responding with excessive concern and anxiety, making him the center of attention;
  • sensing (and conforming to) his caregivers' expectations that he is incapable of self-preservation, is innately antisocial, and cannot learn correct behavior without strict controls, threats and a variety of manipulative "parenting techniques" that undermine his exquisitely evolved learning process.
Evolution has not prepared the human infant for this kind of experience. He cannot comprehend why his desperate cries for the fulfillment of his innate expectations go unanswered, and he develops a sense of wrongness and shame about himself and his desires. If, however, his continuum expectations are fulfilled — precisely at first, with more variation possible as he matures — he will exhibit a natural state of self-assuredness, well-being and joy. Infants whose continuum needs are fulfilled during the early, in-arms phase grow up to have greater self-esteem and become more independent than those whose cries go unanswered for fear of "spoiling" them or making them too dependent.
Here are some excerpts from the book which define the continuum concept:
...It is no secret that the "experts" have not discovered how to live satisfactorily, but the more they fail, the more they attempt to bring the problems under the sole influence of reason and disallow what reason cannot understand or control.
We are now fairly brought to heel by the intellect; our inherent sense of what is good for us has been undermined to the point where we are barely aware of its working and cannot tell an original impulse from a distorted one.
...[Determining what is good for us] has for many millions of years been managed by the infinitely more refined and knowledgeable areas of the mind called instinct. ... [The] unconscious can make any number of observations, calculations, syntheses, and executions simultaneously and correctly.
...What is meant here by "correct" is that which is appropriate to the ancient continuum of our species inasmuch as it is suited to the tendencies and expectations with which we have evolved. Expectation, in this sense, is founded as deeply in man as his very design. His lungs not only have, but can be said to be, an expectation of air, his eyes are an expectation of light... [etc.]
...The human continuum can also be defined as the sequence of experience which corresponds to the expectations and tendencies of the human species in an environment consistent with that in which those expectations and tendencies were formed. It includes appropriate behavior in, and treatment by, other people as part of that environment.
The continuum of an individual is whole, yet forms part of the continuum of his family, which in turn is part of his clan's, community's, and species' continua, just as the continuum of the human species forms part of that of all life.
...Resistance to change, no way in conflict with the tendency to evolve, is an indispensable force in keeping any system stable.
What interrupted our own innate resistance to change a few thousand years ago we can only guess. The important thing is to understand the significance of evolution versus (unevolved) change. ... [The latter] replaces what is complex and adapted with what is simpler and less adapted.
There is no essential difference between purely instinctive behavior, with its expectations and tendencies, and our equally instinctive expectation of a suitable culture, one in which we can develop our tendencies and fulfill our expectations, first, of precise treatment in infancy, and gradually of a (more flexible) kind of treatment and circumstance, and a range of requirements to which adaptation is ready, eager, and able to be made.
[SIZE=-1]pp. 22-27, The Continuum Concept, Revised edition ©1977, 1985 by Jean Liedloff, published by Addison-Wesley, paperback, 20th printing.[/SIZE]



I'd like to ask that this thread be used to discuss TCC in an edifying matter and not to have to defend my views. If anyone wants to debate crunchy parenting, that would be an awesome thread idea.


PS ElsanRandiMom, I don't think you will enjoy this book based on 1) the opinions I have seen of yours 2) If your spirit feels uneasy about "crunchy" subject matters.
 
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According to Jean Liedloff, the continuum concept is the idea that in order to achieve optimal physical, mental and emotional development, human beings — especially babies — require the kind of experience to which our species adapted during the long process of our evolution. For an infant, these include such experiences as...
  • constant physical contact with his mother (or another familiar caregiver as needed) from birth;
  • sleeping in his parents' bed, in constant physical contact, until he leaves of his own volition (often about two years);
  • breastfeeding "on cue" — nursing in response to his own body's signals;
  • being constantly carried in arms or otherwise in contact with someone, usually his mother, and allowed to observe (or nurse, or sleep) while the person carrying him goes about his or her business — until the infant begins creeping, then crawling on his own impulse, usually at six to eight months;
  • having caregivers immediately respond to his signals (squirming, crying, etc.), without judgment, displeasure, or invalidation of his needs, yet showing no undue concern nor making him the constant center of attention;
  • sensing (and fulfilling) his elders' expectations that he is innately social and cooperative and has strong self-preservation instincts, and that he is welcome and worthy.
In contrast, a baby subjected to modern Western childbirth and child-care practices often experiences...
  • traumatic separation from his mother at birth due to medical intervention and placement in maternity wards, in physical isolation except for the sound of other crying newborns, with the majority of male babies further traumatized by medically unnecessary circumcision surgery;
  • at home, sleeping alone and isolated, often after "crying himself to sleep";
  • scheduled feeding, with his natural nursing impulses often ignored or "pacified";
  • being excluded and separated from normal adult activities, relegated for hours on end to a nursery, crib or playpen where he is inadequately stimulated by toys and other inanimate objects;
  • caregivers often ignoring, discouraging, belittling or even punishing him when he cries or otherwise signals his needs; or else responding with excessive concern and anxiety, making him the center of attention;
  • sensing (and conforming to) his caregivers' expectations that he is incapable of self-preservation, is innately antisocial, and cannot learn correct behavior without strict controls, threats and a variety of manipulative "parenting techniques" that undermine his exquisitely evolved learning process.
Evolution has not prepared the human infant for this kind of experience. He cannot comprehend why his desperate cries for the fulfillment of his innate expectations go unanswered, and he develops a sense of wrongness and shame about himself and his desires. If, however, his continuum expectations are fulfilled — precisely at first, with more variation possible as he matures — he will exhibit a natural state of self-assuredness, well-being and joy. Infants whose continuum needs are fulfilled during the early, in-arms phase grow up to have greater self-esteem and become more independent than those whose cries go unanswered for fear of "spoiling" them or making them too dependent.
Here are some excerpts from the book which define the continuum concept:
...It is no secret that the "experts" have not discovered how to live satisfactorily, but the more they fail, the more they attempt to bring the problems under the sole influence of reason and disallow what reason cannot understand or control.
We are now fairly brought to heel by the intellect; our inherent sense of what is good for us has been undermined to the point where we are barely aware of its working and cannot tell an original impulse from a distorted one.
...[Determining what is good for us] has for many millions of years been managed by the infinitely more refined and knowledgeable areas of the mind called instinct. ... [The] unconscious can make any number of observations, calculations, syntheses, and executions simultaneously and correctly.
...What is meant here by "correct" is that which is appropriate to the ancient continuum of our species inasmuch as it is suited to the tendencies and expectations with which we have evolved. Expectation, in this sense, is founded as deeply in man as his very design. His lungs not only have, but can be said to be, an expectation of air, his eyes are an expectation of light... [etc.]
...The human continuum can also be defined as the sequence of experience which corresponds to the expectations and tendencies of the human species in an environment consistent with that in which those expectations and tendencies were formed. It includes appropriate behavior in, and treatment by, other people as part of that environment.
The continuum of an individual is whole, yet forms part of the continuum of his family, which in turn is part of his clan's, community's, and species' continua, just as the continuum of the human species forms part of that of all life.
...Resistance to change, no way in conflict with the tendency to evolve, is an indispensable force in keeping any system stable.
What interrupted our own innate resistance to change a few thousand years ago we can only guess. The important thing is to understand the significance of evolution versus (unevolved) change. ... [The latter] replaces what is complex and adapted with what is simpler and less adapted.
There is no essential difference between purely instinctive behavior, with its expectations and tendencies, and our equally instinctive expectation of a suitable culture, one in which we can develop our tendencies and fulfill our expectations, first, of precise treatment in infancy, and gradually of a (more flexible) kind of treatment and circumstance, and a range of requirements to which adaptation is ready, eager, and able to be made.
[SIZE=-1]pp. 22-27, The Continuum Concept, Revised edition ©1977, 1985 by Jean Liedloff, published by Addison-Wesley, paperback, 20th printing.[/SIZE]

Agree
Eeeh... okay
Not necessarily essential IMO
Disagree

Personally... alot of this sounds valid, however, it could be taken wildly out of context to promote lack of growth as a person or even lack of self control. As long as you keep that in mind, it's probably okay.
 
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I've read it and I think it has a lot of good insights. I think the do what comes naturally, don't force things, accept things and people as they are concept is right nuclear family in Western culture though. We just don't think communally. Everything is me first and every man for himself. This is very contrary to the continuum concept.

The one thing I did disgree with her on is the idea that in nature animal babies have an instinct to survive and don't do things to put themselves in harm's way. While I agree that modern parents may inadvertantly encourage their children into danger by being overly protective, I don't think this correlates into setting your toddler on the ground and just expecting him to avoid things that will hurt him. Baby animals do foolish things that get themselves hurt and/or killed all the time. Baby humans are no different. Some supervision is probably necessary if you want your child to survive, intact into adulthood.
 
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I've read it and I think it has a lot of good insights. I think the do what comes naturally, don't force things, accept things and people as they are concept is right nuclear family in Western culture though. We just don't think communally. Everything is me first and every man for himself. This is very contrary to the continuum concept.

The one thing I did disgree with her on is the idea that in nature animal babies have an instinct to survive and don't do things to put themselves in harm's way. While I agree that modern parents may inadvertantly encourage their children into danger by being overly protective, I don't think this correlates into setting your toddler on the ground and just expecting him to avoid things that will hurt him. Baby animals do foolish things that get themselves hurt and/or killed all the time. Baby humans are no different. Some supervision is probably necessary if you want your child to survive, intact into adulthood.
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I can also say I know it would not make me "happy" to be always touching baby.... wearing 24-7.... then napping on me.... then sleeping with me.... never ANY separation.... I think i would feel smothered! I do have a friend who parents that way though and she is happy with it. So that's fine!
 
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I can also say I know it would not make me "happy" to be always touching baby.... wearing 24-7.... then napping on me.... then sleeping with me.... never ANY separation.... I think i would feel smothered! I do have a friend who parents that way though and she is happy with it. So that's fine!
Well, according to the book, touching your baby all the time does not equal giving the baby your full attention all the time. You wear your baby and go about your business and the baby just sort of accompanies you as an extension of your body (sort of like when you are pregnant). It's important that the baby simply just be in normal life but the not the center of it.

Also, when the baby gets to the mobile stage, she thinks that they should just be allowed to wander freely at will. Basically, you put the kid on the ground and let them go. If they want to go, they go. If they want to come back, they come back. No fussing. No chasing after the kid. Mom is available but not restraining.
 
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I read it, loved it, & having tried quite a lot of its philosophy would have to agree kids have got a really good survival instinct & can do many things much sooner than we, in the west, expect of them. Kids are great imitators. It tailors beautifully with personal responsibility, accountability & relationship as expressed biblically though I don't think the author is Christian.
 
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Well, according to the book, touching your baby all the time does not equal giving the baby your full attention all the time. You wear your baby and go about your business and the baby just sort of accompanies you as an extension of your body (sort of like when you are pregnant). It's important that the baby simply just be in normal life but the not the center of it.

Also, when the baby gets to the mobile stage, she thinks that they should just be allowed to wander freely at will. Basically, you put the kid on the ground and let them go. If they want to go, they go. If they want to come back, they come back. No fussing. No chasing after the kid. Mom is available but not restraining.

Yes I know, I totally understand, but I appreciate being able to put Maya down at bedtime and being just *me* for a little while.... I appreciate not having to wear her while eating my meal.... etc. My friend on the other hand thrives wearing her baby in her Mei Tai all day long and was really sad when he started walking and didn't want to be worn all of the time. It seems to be more of a difference in the personality than in the parenting style for us. I look forward to my baby being on the move.
 
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I have never read the book but funny enough I did most of things she recommends.:D

I breastfed on demand.
I let my crawler go(in a baby-proofed area)
I was around for my toddler, but not fussing over her.
I carried my babies around and held them when they were awake.
But I let them sleep in their cribs when it was nap-time or bed-time. so I guess that was different.

I never just let my infant "cry-it-out" alone.

It just seems like common sense. Right?

I don't think she ever saw what most "western" families do, she wouldn't be so critical. Most people do raise their babies like that.
 
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Yea, so much to respond to. I am excited that the concept is creating any interest. Also, since others have read it, I'd like to know how you incorporate CC principles into your parenting. As for me, like I stated originally, I don't take any one's advice or words verbatim except for my Lord's. However, I believe in a lot of the principles she discusses and I found it resonated with me much more than AP. I started out with AP and I felt fizzled out by the time my son was 9 months old. That is when I discovered TCC and I am excited to begin parenting my next child with some of the CC principles.

The one thing I did disgree with her on is the idea that in nature animal babies have an instinct to survive and don't do things to put themselves in harm's way. While I agree that modern parents may inadvertantly encourage their children into danger by being overly protective, I don't think this correlates into setting your toddler on the ground and just expecting him to avoid things that will hurt him. Baby animals do foolish things that get themselves hurt and/or killed all the time. Baby humans are no different. Some supervision is probably necessary if you want your child to survive, intact into adulthood.

How I incorporated this principle into my parenting, is that I created a baby safe ROOM. So, my son was able to explore the main room we spent our day in as well as "his" room (its more of a playroom with a bed...lol) freely with little to no interjections on my part.

Also, I think the concept she is presenting is that we don't allow our children to do things because we think they are going to hurt themselves. The point is we need to trust that they don't want to hurt themselves and that they won't if we don't put our fears into them. I can't tell you how many people are amazed at the way my son carries himself physically, how he handles falling on the ground and how I don't have to go running around chasing him when it is time to leave a certain place. Whenever he fell, I never acted like it was a big deal. OF course I checked him to make sure he was ok but it was a very casual thing, no "Oh baby, are you ok, did you hurt yourself, were you scared, et cetera".

I can also say I know it would not make me "happy" to be always touching baby.... wearing 24-7.... then napping on me.... then sleeping with me.... never ANY separation.... I think i would feel smothered! I do have a friend who parents that way though and she is happy with it. So that's fine!

illinoismommy, the in-arm phase means that the baby is in the arms of a caregiver always, not in the arms of mommy always. Sometimes that means dad, other times that could be grandma or still other times even older brother. Mom certainly gets a break in the Yequana tribe.

Well, according to the book, touching your baby all the time does not equal giving the baby your full attention all the time. You wear your baby and go about your business and the baby just sort of accompanies you as an extension of your body (sort of like when you are pregnant). It's important that the baby simply just be in normal life but the not the center of it.

I loved this concept and it has been a Godsent in our home. My son does not expect me to cater to his every need and he is able to work alone for 15 - 30 minutes at a time and he is 2.5 yrs old.

Also, when the baby gets to the mobile stage, she thinks that they should just be allowed to wander freely at will. Basically, you put the kid on the ground and let them go. If they want to go, they go. If they want to come back, they come back. No fussing. No chasing after the kid. Mom is available but not restraining.

This is one of the areas where I diverge from Liedloff's ideas. The Yequana tribe did not have to worry about cars driving by. If a dangerous animal was approaching, most likely the child could hear the branches cracking or whatever. A speeding car can come out of nowhere sometimes. It's not that I don't trust my son's survival instinct, I just accept that I do in fact live in a Westernized society and I adjust accordingly.

I read it, loved it, & having tried quite a lot of its philosophy would have to agree kids have got a really good survival instinct & can do many things much sooner than we, in the west, expect of them. Kids are great imitators. It tailors beautifully with personal responsibility, accountability & relationship as expressed biblically though I don't think the author is Christian.

CelticRose are you strictly TCC in your parenting?
 
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Nope ~ & mine are now at the older end of the scale but even for calamities we tried to be calm to the point the child suspected of being bitten by a snake calmly walked home to tell me so. As he was only about 5 he did really well. If they wanted to do something they were always allowed to try, shown how if they needed instruction, then left to get on with it. All learnt to cook early & well & mine were never the ones who had accidents with knives. Our biggest problem was traffic & mainly because we lived somewhere they never saw any so they never developed road sense.
 
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I have to be honest, I was very surprized to see this thread here.

From what I understand the book was not written as a parenting manual- she was describing why she thought the adults around her (in the early 70's IIRC) were so disfunctional. People took her ideas, which she got from the Yeganqua people and put them into practice. From a historical / cultural look at parenting and atachment it is a strong book. And I think Anthropologists often write about things outside their own experience- so to critisize her for not being a parent is kinda a mute point- she originally was not coming out and saying this is how you should parent.

I LOVE the concepts in this book, and when I am overwhelmed I re-read it. I would say that I am very much a TCC parent- although being here in a Western Civilization some parts do not pan out the way I would like.
 
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