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Rom 11:32-God bound everyone to disobedience so...
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Looks like 4 words from Michael sent Satan packingMethinks Michael knows his limitations.
Looks like 4 words from Michael sent Satan packing
Just because they fell does not mean they still do no look like us or other angels. They will be here sometime in the future, that is a reality.Does not apply to Satan or devils. Sorry
All are under sin but not all have found repentance therefore. having their sins washed away. We see even at the end in Revelation, some will not repent. That is on them.We're no better than any other sinners. Romans 3:8
It's good to know every word, yes but specific verses do not apply to everyone. For example, not everyone is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. Only those not written in the book in the book of like. We have to take the bible as a whole but we can make distinctions within the word and how it applies to different people.It's not optional and every word of God applies to everyone,
Satan and his subsequent seeds have been on/in the earth from day 1 of mankindJust because they fell does not mean they still do no look like us or other angels. They will be here sometime in the future, that is a reality.
Satan and his messengers are both angels and spirits, wicked/evil onesAgain, I don't think Michael and his angels were literally fighting spirits. They were fighting other angels.
We've done this drill numerous times. No one hecomes sinless before or after repentance---> because the tempter remains involved within everyone and is the evil present within us all.All are under sin but not all have found repentance therefore.
Sins aren't counted against people to start with. What believers are supposed to know from the Word is that we are not the sin/evil present with us. Thetefore we know our division from it.having their sins washed away.
Devils never repent and even if they did it's a lieWe see even at the end in Revelation, some will not repent. That is on them.
Whatever. You're position flounders the instant you claim you're sinless in any case. Such phonies openly show they're under control of liars and should be avoidedAnd remember through faith in his blood Christ is the propitiation for the remission of sins past.
Every word of God applies to everyone.It's good to know every word, yes but specific verses do not apply to everyone.
The spirit of disobedience that is within all people will therein be tossed into the LoFFor example, not everyone is going to be thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Well God will save you, but not your flesh captor, so there's thatOnly those not written in the book in the book of like. We have to take the bible as a whole but we can make distinctions within the word and how it applies to different people.
Yes, evil spirits still roam around, etcSatan and his subsequent seeds have been on/in the earth from day 1 of mankind
God's word is not fantasy. I'm a scripture person first and foremost. If God tells me he will sit on the throne proclaiming to be God, I choose to believe that. I don't deal in fantasy such as the Left Behind books which are pure nonsense.ou may have bought into some tall tale of some sort or another from dime store end time fantasy novels
Yes, we have. No one becomes sinless but this verse is possible. A verse you continually ignore.No one hecomes sinless before or after repentance
Again, you claim to accept every word but then verses like this you don't believe?We are literally bound with our enemy in the flesh
I showed you the very verses that prove they do count. Christ states if someone doesn't repent and overcome after they have fallen in sin they are in danger of having their names blotted out. You can't insert Satan here. He is not in the book of life.Sins aren't counted against people to start with.
There is a division. Those who abide in Christ and those who don't. Satan and his have already been judged.Thetefore we know our division from it.
I'm talking about the people in Revelation that do not repent of their deeds. We aren't talking about devils.Devils never repent and even if they did it's a lie
Yeah, whatever, push aside verses as if they don't matter.Whatever.
Do you have a problem remembering previous posts? I want to call you a liar because I have never claimed that. I have spoken the exact opposite. So I'm thinking you might have a problem remembering everyone's posts and who has said what.You're position flounders the instant you claim you're sinless in any case.
There's no sense really going on if you're going to continually change God's word. I want to have honest conversations/debate within God's word.The spirit of disobedience that is within all people will therein be tossed into the LoF
It's a general foul to rule God's activity out of anything that transpires in His creation. That would actually be a Godless proposition. Not a fit position for believers.Isaiah 45:7 – “I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil (raʿ); I the Lord do all these things.”
Yes, evil spirits still roam around, etc
But this is still future-
Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
That's the legitimate hatred of our own lives because of the presence of the tempter/evil within. Luke 14:26, Mark 7:21-23Revelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death."
Satan already sits in the temple of mankinds bodies, as the usurper he is.Revelation 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."
It was prophesized long ago that he would sit on the throne in the sides of the north proclaiming to be God. (disguised as that angel of light)
People have again been in this war from day 1. Satan deceives the whole world.Paul states that it's for "this evil day" that the gospel is armor must be in place.
You read future only in complete neglect of past and present. Nothing moreGod's word is not fantasy. I'm a scripture person first and foremost. If God tells me he will sit on the throne proclaiming to be God, I choose to believe that. I don't deal in fantasy such as the Left Behind books which are pure nonsense.
Again, no account of the adversary. Your position thinks quite falsely it's only you.Yes, we have. No one becomes sinless but this verse is possible. A verse you continually ignore.
Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
God's Will is expressed continually. The grand finale, which IS a final event, is when Satan and his messengers are sent to the flames.Have you seriously not went through this process? Do you not want to put God's will over your own?
And again you have a simple one side only sight that falsely justifies you, completely ignoring the facts of evil within and temptations of the tempter. IF this is not our reality there is no fight but with our own evil selves.Again, you claim to accept every word but then verses like this you don't believe?
Galatians 5:16 "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
Romans 8:1 "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
This is simply putting God's will over our own. When we do that, naturally we do not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Well, glad you're kind of creeping up on the obvious.Is it a war within our flesh and spirit, yes,
The tempter and evil within will remain short, period. Your position just wiggles on the hook of reality trying to avoid the facts.of course and sometimes we do miss the mark and fall short.
Your will is incapable of making you sinless by your own admissions.But it's always been about putting God's will over our own. About walking in the spirit. Are you seriously not able to do this at all? Do you constantly live in sin without caring?
We don't overcome an adversary we claim not to have and engage. That engagement is internal.I showed you the very verses that prove they do count. Christ states if someone doesn't repent and overcome after they have fallen in sin they are in danger of having their names blotted out. You can't insert Satan here. He is not in the book of life.
Obviously Satan isn't repenting and your turning doesn't exempt you from the tempterThere is a division. Those who abide in Christ and those who don't. Satan and his have already been judged.
Why do you think God is so long suffering at this point? Because he's waiting on Satan and his to repent? Ridiculous.
You only want to look at people and never the adversaries unseen. A classic void in perceptionsIt's the people he doesn't want to perish and that should come to repentance. Meaning their sins do count against them. To say otherwise to would be to lie against God's Word.
I'm talking about the people in Revelation that do not repent of their deeds. We aren't talking about devils.
I just read your positions as continually excusing the scriptures you don't like to apply personally is all.Yeah, whatever, push aside verses as if they don't matter.
Do you have a problem remembering previous posts? I want to call you a liar because I have never claimed that. I have spoken the exact opposite. So I'm thinking you might have a problem remembering everyone's posts and who has said what.
I don't care for a half story that attempts to plaster over what I look forward to. The end of devils, a promise of the Gospel, and also part of truthful Christian hope.There's no sense really going on if you're going to continually change God's word. I want to have honest conversations/debate within God's word.
The scriptures speak for themselves. We'll see...Already happened, from day 1 of mankind.
Spin it howeverThe scriptures speak for themselves. We'll see...
As I stated on the other thread I guess we're finished. I'd rather take the bible as a whole and trust Christ's words on the second death, who's in danger of it, etc. This going back and forth is going nowhere.
Believe what you will.
Does this adversary have a free will?God "intentionally" created an adversary in the form of the antiChrist spirit, the spirit of disobedience, the DEVIL, Satan.
Nope. It's nothing more than robotic action. The switch will be turned off at some point and the antispiritual machinery will be shut down and tossed aside into the eternal fire junk pileDoes this adversary have a free will?
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