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The Church Persecuting Itself

Wagonmaker

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I posted a thread a couple of days ago, desiring to have a productive dialogue about an nontraditional living situation between my girlfriend and me. If you want to look at the specifics, just search my threads. It isn't relevant here what the context was.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

As the posts began to come in, I realized quickly that I was not going to get the kind of dialogue I was looking for. Perhaps I asked the wrong question. I am willing to take fault for not being clear with my intention.

That said, I want to ask another question here in this forum about persecution of the church. I am alarmed by how much the Church argues within its own walls. But more alarming is the hateful, judgmental attitude in which supposed brethren in Christ handle each other.

A. Christ is unity.
B. The Church is not unified.
C. Christ is married to the Church.
D. Therefore, Christ has unified itself with that which is divided.

Am I off base here? How is the problem dealt with (besides in love and patience for our weaker brothers and sisters?)

Here's my biggest point... If a brother in Christ comes to me with a concern or problem or question, I tend to first try to put myself in their shoes, and second, I try to understand their mental and spiritual framework before I ever try to advise or counsel them. What I experienced in my thread was a sudden casting of judgment to my situation, without even knowing all the fact. For some people, the Truth is black and white for all people for all times. There is no room for difference, even though every human being has his or her own unique life experience.

I do not disagree that on some unreachable level, there is absolute Truth. It is not relative when you see with God's eyes. But we are not God, and we all have battles and lessons and tests that we are here on earth to fight, learn, and accomplish. How can we say, with smug certainty, that we are right and another is wrong, especially when it comes to gray areas of morality. We don't all struggle with the same sins, so shouldn't the body of Christ show a little more grace to one who struggles in an area they don't struggle with?

When someone judges me in an obviously hostile and finger-pointing manner, I recognize the blackness of their heart. They make their secret sins not so secret, not realizing how transparent their judgments make their own lives.

The Bible is clear on "you reap what you sow" , "Do unto others", and "judge not lest ye be judged". All of these, and others, speak to the same issues fundamentally. We are, at our very core, One, whether we know it or not. We all come from a seed of desire grown out of God's own purpose. Humanity in itself is a vibratory organism. On the quantum level, there is no separation between our skin and the environment we find ourselves in.

Locations, denominations, religions, belief systems, are all designed to help groups of individuals to unify themselves. But until all religions find the unity between their own paradigms, the world will continue to be at war, not just between nation and nation, but between ourselves, our families, and our own bodies.
 
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