The Church of Trump

[Hazelelponi]

Please don't attribute Trump's words to me.

You quoted them, and they were lovely I just pointed out how inspiring they were for all of us.



Does a lovely unifying message make you happy?

 

[The Barbarian]

Trump does represent the American dream. Is it the American dream a couple generations on? Yes, it is. But it's definitely still the American dream.

On this day in 1989, President Ronald Reagan gives his Farewell Address to the Nation. In doing so, he defined his vision of “the shining city upon a hill.”

“In my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, windswept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here.”

Ronald Reagan and "the shining city upon a hill" - Our Lost Founding

On this day in 1989, President Ronald Reagan gives his Farewell Address to the Nation, in which he defined his vision of "the shining city upon a hill."

ourlostfounding.com

(my emphasis)

That is the American Dream. Trump represents the people who are terrified by American values and by Reagan's declaration of those values. They are often referred to in American history as "know-nothings" for good reason. And the groups they hate have changed over time. Jews, Italians, Germans, Irish, Hispanics, Blacks, whatever. It's always some group they want to portray as the boogeyman. And they were always wrong; each of these groups strengthened and enriched America, as the new groups today are doing.

 

[stevil]

You have to live in the right part of the country to understand that one....

Aha, now his response makes sense.

 

[stevil]

From the link...

Special counsel Jack Smith said in a filing 'there are some boxes where the order of items within that box is not the same as in the associated scans'​

So the scandal is that the order of the scans of the stolen documents is not the same as the order the documents were in, when they opened the box? How would that even matter? Trump isn't on trial for keeping stolen documents out of order (whatever that means).

That's a weird one alright. I would have thought it matters which documents are in the box at Maralago, not what order the documents are found in the box.

 

[Pommer]

Trump did not steal the documents. The POTUS is the only one person allowed to declassify and keep those records. On the other hand, Biden and his staff as well as Pence and his staff can only plead ignorance or incompetence as an attempt to excuse their keeping of classified government records & documents for all the years they had possession of those documents after the men were no longer Senators or Vice President.

President Trump is on an audio recording revealing classified documents to unqualified people, telling them that this is still classified, noting that he could have declassified them while he was in office, but now that he isn’t, can’t so keep this hush-hush.

The kid from the Air Force got 30 years in criminal court, and is awaiting adjudication in the military courts…so yes, the “two-tiered justice system” is a valid point, but not the way where Trump is the victim.

 

[The Barbarian]

That's a weird one alright. I would have thought it matters which documents are in the box at Maralago, not what order the documents are found in the box.

One does what one can with what one has to work with, I suppose. But somehow I don't get how this could be a crime at all.

 

[The Barbarian]

Aha, now his response makes sense.

It's what a Texas lady would say when trying not to say, "my goodness, you're really stupid."

 

[Tinker Grey]

It's what a Texas lady would say when trying not to say, "my goodness, you're really stupid."

Well, let's say "naive".

 

[The Barbarian]

That would be the ladylike thing.

 

[Hank77]

One does what one can with what one has to work with, I suppose. But somehow I don't get how this could be a crime at all.

I think I read it somewhere that they were calling it tampering with evidence.

 

[Vambram]

President Trump is on an audio recording revealing classified documents to unqualified people, telling them that this is still classified, noting that he could have declassified them while he was in office, but now that he isn’t, can’t so keep this hush-hush.

I remember that recording of that incident happened while he was still POTUS.

 

[Pommer]

I remember that recording of that incident happened while he was still POTUS.

Shall we agree to back our claims?
You go first!
I’ll go first! (The goods are around 2:05)

 

[rjs330]

As far as I understand it Biden represents social liberty, where people can be straight, gay, bi, trans, fluid. You name it, whatever suits them is fine.
They can be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Bhuddish, Hindu, Atheist. You name it, whatever suits them is fine.

So does the right. The right believes in freedom. Freedom to be all those things. The difference is we also believe in the freedom not to accept those things If you don't want to and to have the freedom to say so. The left is far more tyrannical in forcing people to accept those things and shutting down the freedom to say so.

Trump appeals to those that want Muslims banned from entering the country, Mexicans banned from entering the country, abortions banned, wants Trans banned, homosexuals banned.

That's absolutely false. No one wants all Muslims banned. Just those who come from from the radical Islamist terrorist areas. No one wants Mexicans banned. We want them to come legally. Abortions? Your right, we do want those banned except for when the mothers life is in danger. No one wants trans or homosexuality banned.

let a global pandemic sweep through the country killing hundreds of thousand and use this as a political wedge to fight against life saving measures. Is willing to "win" an election at all costs, be that putting pressure on Republican election official ......

I'm not going to respond to the rest of that. We've got enough enough threads that discuss those things.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So does the right. The right believes in freedom. Freedom to be all those things. The difference is we also believe in the freedom not to accept those things If you don't want to and to have the freedom to say so.

I can just imagine how 'free' Christians would feel if public schools were forbidden from discussing [i.e. teaching about] Christianity.

 

[BPPLEE]

I can just imagine how 'free' Christians would feel if public schools were forbidden from discussing [i.e. teaching about] Christianity.

They shouldn’t be teaching about Christianity or any religion in a public school as far as I’m concerned. That’s something parents should teach their kids not schools

 

[stevil]

So does the right. The right believes in freedom. Freedom to be all those things. The difference is we also believe in the freedom not to accept those things If you don't want to and to have the freedom to say so. The left is far more tyrannical in forcing people to accept those things and shutting down the freedom to say so.

If the USA right had their way gays would not be allowed to teach, to marry or adopt children.
It would be OK for Christians to tease, pick on, name call, to refuse to serve or sell things to gays.
Basically the right would do away with anti discrimination of gays and trans. This is what you are calling "tyrannical". I wonder if you would get rid of anti discrimination against blacks? or anti discrimination against Christians?

That's absolutely false. No one wants all Muslims banned.

This was a campaign promise by Trump in 2016. The very first thing he did when in office was to ban planes coming in from many predominantly Muslim countries, his first attempts at these bans were eventually stopped by the courts as they were racist and unconstitutional.

Just those who come from from the radical Islamist terrorist areas. No one wants Mexicans banned.

Thr right are terrified of Mexicans. The want a big expensive wall on the Southern border. Trump keeps saying they are murderers and drug dealers. and his fan base love that characterisation.

We want them to come legally.

Many on the right complain even about the legall asylum seekers process.

Abortions? Your right, we do want those banned except for when the mothers life is in danger. No one wants trans or homosexuality banned.

LOL, so much hatred coming from the USA right about the trans people.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of that. We've got enough enough threads that discuss those things.

LOL. Lets just sweep the whole, 100s of thousands of USA folk dead and the attempts to subvert democracy under the rug. Lets just pretend that part never happened. nothing to see here people. Right, moving quickly along.

 

[rjs330]

I wouldn’t bet on it but he seems to have the uncanny ability to say things that would destroy the careers of most politicians with no effect on him.
But his supporters focus more on what he did than what he says.
Trump has many issues and I don’t think he was the best of the GOP candidates but he is who we have and he will be so much better than Biden that he is getting my vote this time.

I think that is spot on. We do focus on rhe successes rather than on the wacky way he says things. He does have many issues and would be happy to vote for a democrat if they were a conservative one over Trump in a heartbeat. So I'm an issues voter, not a person voter.

have talked to some people who seem to think he was chosen by God for this purpose and they have a messiah like reverence for him. That’s not the case for me, the man has many flaws but I think he is a better choice than Biden.

Yeah, I understand rhat there are those with the cult of personality thing. It was the same with Obama. It's an unfortunate thing.

 

[rjs330]

the USA right had their way gays would not be allowed to teach, to marry or adopt children.
It would be OK for Christians to tease, pick on, name call, to refuse to serve or sell things to gays.
Basically the right would do away with anti discrimination of gays and trans. This is what you are calling "tyrannical". I wonder if you would get rid of anti discrimination against blacks? or anti discrimination against Christians?

Freedom is about being able to discriminate if you wish to. Including against Christians. When it come to private business or people. I've always been a supporter of that. After all it let us all know who the bigots are. I certainly wouldn't support a store that posted signs that said, "no gays allowed" or "no blacks allowed" or whatever the "no ..." allowed" would be. But rhats just my opinion. I don't think the people in rhe USA would actually support that.

If a business didn't want to serve Christians I would be able to know who the bigot is. Would you support a business that refused to serve Christians?

This was a campaign promise by Trump in 2016. The very first thing he did when in office was to ban planes coming in from many predominantly Muslim countries, his first attempts at these bans were eventually stopped by the courts as they were racist and unconstitutional.

Thanks for proving my point. It wasn't Muslims in general. It was certain countries with know radical terrorist ties.

Thr right are terrified of Mexicans. The want a big expensive wall on the Southern border. Trump keeps saying they are murderers and drug dealers. and his fan base love that characterisation.

Terrified? You don't really know people on the right do you. I could actually post a bunch of criminal acts performed.by the illegals who come here. Murders and drug dealing being part if it. But I won't, you'll just make an excuse. We are happy to have people who come here through the legal process. Our doors are open to all who come legally. In fact I think it should be a much easier process to come legally. I would like to see that changed.

LOL, so much hatred coming from the USA right about the trans people.

Oh good, more leftist talking points. I know they make you feel.better, then you don't actually have to address any issues at all.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Freedom is about being able to discriminate if you wish to. Including against Christians. When it come to private business or people. I've always been a supporter of that. After all it let us all know who the bigots are. I certainly wouldn't support a store that posted signs that said, "no gays allowed" or "no blacks allowed" or whatever the "no ..." allowed" would be. But rhats just my opinion. I don't think the people in rhe USA would actually support that.

The law in some parts of the USA actually supported segregation. Until we changed the law to say that private business don't have that 'freedom' to discriminate if they are 'public accommodations'.

 

[Hank77]

They shouldn’t be teaching about Christianity or any religion in a public school as far as I’m concerned. That’s something parents should teach their kids not schools

Religion is very important in all cultures and therefore should not be ignored in education.