The Christian case for Fascism

[General Mung Beans]

@ Axeless could you please give me a good idea of a historical Christian fascist leader? Say Admiral Miklos Horthy of Hungary who was Reformed?

 

[Albion]

@ Axeless could you please give me a good idea of a historical Christian fascist leader? Say Admiral Miklos Horthy of Hungary who was Reformed?

That is a bit off the subject, isn't it? I mean, Axeless believes in totalitarianism and would like to make Christianity fit with it. So, we could name a few fascist leaders who were also Christian, but while it might say something about the nature of fascism, it wouldn't say anything about the nature of Christianity.

 

[General Mung Beans]

That is a bit off the subject, isn't it? I mean, Axeless believes in totalitarianism and would like to make Christianity fit with it. So, we could name a few fascist leaders who were also Christian, but while it might say something about the nature of fascism, it wouldn't say anything about the nature of Christianity.

I agree, I'm just curious about Axeless' ideal dictator since he has mostly been talking in generalities.

 

[Albion]

I agree, I'm just curious about Axeless' ideal dictator since he has mostly been talking in generalities.

OK, I'd like to know the answer to that, too.

Maybe Francisco Franco.

 

[Sketcher]

People play God, and because of that more people die. That's all I need to say about that.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I couldn't disagree with the OP more. My Libertarian Party icon probably makes that clear without my saying anything.

 

[LionofJudahDK]

Ywhat jesus is saying here is that all property is first owned by the state and second that the state should be regarded as a sort of demi god.

That's not the point at all! The point is, as Paul also says, that we ought to adhere to our duties and responsibilities as inhabitants of the areas we live in. If that means paying taxes, then that's what it means! Saying that Jesus is saying that "all property is first owned by the state" is nonsensical - that wasn't even the view of the Romans!
And saying that the state should be "regarded as a sort of demi god" is borderline blasphemy. The state is a useful tool in God's plan, existing to enforce the law and protect the weak from the opression of the strong.
Saying that the Bible supports ANY modern ideology is anachronistic in the extreme. Both when people claim it about socialism, capitalism and now also fascism.

And no, I'm not a supporter of democracy (which I prefer to call oklocracy). I support the idea of the enlightened absolute monarchy.
But saying that the Bible demands that we work towards a fascist society is just as much bovine manure as saying it demands that we work towards a communist society.

The Bible isn't primarily interested in how societies post-theocratic Israel are build up, but in the choice every one of us has: For or against Christ!

 

[LionofJudahDK]

@ Axeless could you please give me a good idea of a historical Christian fascist leader? Say Admiral Miklos Horthy of Hungary who was Reformed?

Wait...ADMIRAL Horthy of Hungary? Hungary is land-locked
That's awesome on so many levels!

 

[lismore]

Wait...ADMIRAL Horthy of Hungary? Hungary is land-locked
That's awesome on so many levels!

It wasn't landlocked when he joined the navy. Austro-Hungary controlled the Croatian coast and parts of Italy.

 

[lismore]

Thoughts? Comments?

It's the opposite of Christianity.

Fascism is treating an unhinged maniac like Hitler as if he were God.

 

[Rhamiel]

what about Antonio Salazar? would that be a good example of a Christian Fascist?

 

[LionofJudahDK]

It's the opposite of Christianity.

Fascism is treating an unhinged maniac like Hitler as if he were God.

Just a small "aber dabei": Hitler was a nazi, not a fascist. Fascism isn't inherently racist, in the sense that it doesn't much care about the ethnicity or religious beliefs of the citizens - it cares about their unswavering loyalty to the State and the Leader.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Just a small "aber dabei": Hitler was a nazi, not a fascist. Fascism isn't inherently racist, in the sense that it doesn't much care about the ethnicity or religious beliefs of the citizens - it cares about their unswavering loyalty to the State and the Leader.

I understand the distinction.

But my only Leader is Christ. I will accept and even rejoice in a theocracy, but only if He personally is in charge, not some human claiming to speak in His name, because that person is almost surely delusional, a charlatan or an Antichrist.

As for the State: As Frank Chodorov once said, "The size of government I believe in would fit in my kitchen... and I have a very small kitchen."

(If anybody else knows about Chodorov before reading the article, I'll be impressed.)

 

[lismore]

Just a small "aber dabei": Hitler was a nazi, not a fascist. Fascism isn't inherently racist, in the sense that it doesn't much care about the ethnicity or religious beliefs of the citizens - it cares about their unswavering loyalty to the State and the Leader.

Unwavering loyalty to the leader? That is where Christians would have to bale out. Our leader is Christ.

 

[lismore]

But my only Leader is Christ. I will accept and even rejoice in a theocracy, but only if He personally is in charge, not some human claiming to speak in His name, because that person is almost surely delusional, a charlatan or an Antichrist.

 

[LionofJudahDK]

Unwavering loyalty to the leader? That is where Christians would have to bale out. Our leader is Christ.

Well, in as much as the Christian MUST choose to obey God's law over the Leader's, if that situation arise, then yes. But that's the case in ANY system

 

[Albion]

what about Antonio Salazar? would that be a good example of a Christian Fascist?

I'd think so.