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The Cause of Everything
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Dragar said:
Well, I think everything implies physical qualification; to say that the universe includes the supernatural, and to speak of the cause of this universe, is to say that the supernatural within this "universe" would be causally responsible for the supernatural. Which doesn't make any sense because the supernatural makes sense only in relation to the "natural". If this "natural" doesn't mean the universe, it is pointless to speak of God or the supernatural as within the universe as well -- for then you are using a word that has no meaning. The supernatural by definition makes sense in relation to the natural. Well, what is the natural if not the universe?
By "universe" you must mean the natural; by speaking of causal factors related to this universe, you are opening the door for something "beyond" this universe, which is the supernatural. If this supernatural is within the universe, intermingled with the natural, what is the point in asking the question "what caused the universe"?
Welcome back to my wired brain, Dragar.
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To make it short, if by "universe" you somehow mean the supernatural with the natural (though, I still stand by my statement that the word "supernatural" is thus meaningless), to speak of it as having a cause is nonsensical. You will have me to agree with you there. But this isn't how theists use the word "universe" when referring to causal factors related to it.
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Usually they mean 'stars and planets and stuff', yes. This is essentially a refined counter to the Cosmological argument.
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