The Catholic 10 Commandments & Protestant 10 Commandments are different, WHY?

david1988 · Jun 17, 2007

If you look at the 10 Commandments the Catholic Church uses and compare them with the 10 Commandments the Protestant Churches use, you will notice a difference in the way they are listed.

How can Churches have two different 10 Commandments?

They both can't be correct. One of them has to be in error!

Which one is correct? The Catholic or the Protestant?

Here are the Catholic 10 Commandments:

Below is the Protestant 10 Commandments

What I noticed is the 2nd Commandment is different in Catholic 10 Commandments compared with the Protestant 10 Commandments.

What happened to the 2nd Commandment in the Catholic 10 Commandments?

The answer is the Catholic's divided the 10th Commandment into 2 parts. And eliminated the 2nd Commandment.

Why did they do this?

Or did God give Moses two versions of the 10 Commandments, one for Catholics and another for Protestants?

d@vid

Floatingaxe · Jun 18, 2007

For some reason, image and idol-worship has been removed. I can see the result of that one!

holo · Jun 18, 2007

They're both wrong, since the ten commandments (should) have nothing to do with the church. It's the old covenant made with Israel, it's the ministry of death engraved on stone.

arielette · Jun 18, 2007

I was surprised to find out how decisions on how to translate the bible are made. There is a sermon from "The Underground Christian Network", that really opened my eyes to this:

Bible versions Controversy EXPLAINED (full sermon)
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sermonID=8150514459

Zecryphon · Jun 18, 2007

holo said:
They're both wrong, since the ten commandments (should) have nothing to do with the church. It's the old covenant made with Israel, it's the ministry of death engraved on stone.

You so realize that these laws were given to Moses by God, so when you say the lists are wrong, you are saying God is wrong. Where in the New Testament is it written that the moral law of God has passed away? Everything in the OT testifies to Jesus in the New. Jesus summed up all 10 Commandments into two in the New Testament. Look at Jesus' own words: Love the Lord Your God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. If you love God with every fiber of your being and your neighbor as yourself, which of the 10 Commandments listed in either list can you break? The Commandments were never given as a way for a man or a woman to earn their salvation they were given to show us our need for a savior. They are, as Ray Comfort says, the schoolmaster that teach us about sin and reveal our need for a savior.

holo · Jun 18, 2007

Zecryphon said:
You so realize that these laws were given to Moses by God, so when you say the lists are wrong, you are saying God is wrong. Where in the New Testament is it written that the moral law of God has passed away? Everything in the OT testifies to Jesus in the New. Jesus summed up all 10 Commandments into two in the New Testament. Look at Jesus' own words: Love the Lord Your God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. If you love God with every fiber of your being and your neighbor as yourself, which of the 10 Commandments listed in either list can you break? The Commandments were never given as a way for a man or a woman to earn their salvation they were given to show us our need for a savior. They are, as Ray Comfort says, the schoolmaster that teach us about sin and reveal our need for a savior.

I'm not saying the lists or commandments are wrong, but that the church is wrong to include the ten commandments in, well, anything.

Sure, you can see the law as a schoolmaster until Christ. The church is made up of saved people, people who already ARE in Christ. What should they need the law for? It's pointless to ask which commandments I may break (or keep!) because I'm not under the law.

Zecryphon · Jun 18, 2007

holo said:
I'm not saying the lists or commandments are wrong, but that the church is wrong to include the ten commandments in, well, anything.

Sure, you can see the law as a schoolmaster until Christ. The church is made up of saved people, people who already ARE in Christ. What should they need the law for? It's pointless to ask which commandments I may break (or keep!) because I'm not under the law.

"I'm not saying the lists or commandments are wrong, but that the church is wrong to include the ten commandments in, well, anything."

If the law is the schoolmaster that brings to us, the knowledge of sin and why we need a savior, what sense does it make for the church to withhold that knowledge from its attendees? The church is made up of more than just saved people, holo. There are unsaved people in churches all around the world every week.

"Sure, you can see the law as a schoolmaster until Christ."

So the people who are unsaved today or non-believers for whatever reason don't need the law to show them that they are sinners and going to Hell as per God's law, because Jesus died for them. Is this what you believe?

"The church is made up of saved people, people who already ARE in Christ."

Not everybody in the church body is soundly saved. We have alot of false converts who need to understand the law and how it relates to them and why they need to truly repent and put their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation.

"What should they need the law for?"

Oh I don't know, how about when they go witness to people they can use the law of God to bring about the knowledge of sin in the unsaved person and by doing so show the unsaved person why they need a savior?

"It's pointless to ask which commandments I may break (or keep!) because I'm not under the law."

Not for salvation, no. But to live a life that is pleasing to God you are required to follow the law He has laid down. What kind of testimony is it if God's standard for acceptable behavior, His law, is not followed by you? If you go around, lying, stealing, committing adultery, saying hateful things, coveting, what kind of testimony is that to the world? What we do, how we behave is direct testimony about how we feel about God. If we live according to His standard we give good testimony. If we ignore His standard because we think it doesn't apply anymore and do whatever we want, we give bad testimony.

Simon_Templar · Jun 18, 2007

the "10" commandments is just a human division of the laws that God gave to the Children of Israel. If you read the bible you won't find them listed neatly in a list of ten. All of these statements are there, together with about 603 more which are not listed here.

If you look at the list you will see that even the "10" commandments is actually more like 13 commandments.

It is tradition to select out this group as the key commandments, however the division of them into a group of ten is just a human tradition, its not written that way in scripture.

Further, these commandments are part of the Jewish law which was not given to gentiles. There are laws which were given to the gentiles that over lap some of these. Usually, there are seven "noahide" laws which are recognized as the laws which gentiles must keep. These generally coincide with the ruling of the apostles as to what the gentile christians were supposed to follow.

christianmomof3 · Jun 18, 2007

I am not sure where those lists come from. But, I have a Catholic Bible and I looked up Exodus ch 20 verses 4-5 and it clearly says

"You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow dow before them or worship them. For I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God inflicting punishment for their fathers' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation;

and that is from the New American Bible by the Catholic World Press. So, they have those verses in their Bibles.

holo · Jun 18, 2007

Zecryphon said:
"I'm not saying the lists or commandments are wrong, but that the church is wrong to include the ten commandments in, well, anything."

If the law is the schoolmaster that brings to us, the knowledge of sin and why we need a savior, what sense does it make for the church to withhold that knowledge from its attendees?

Sure, one can use the law to try and convert people. But the law is for the wicked and the ungodly. It has no business in OUR lives.

Zecryphon said:
The church is made up of more than just saved people, holo. There are unsaved people in churches all around the world every week.

In the physical club/building, yes. But the ACTUAL Church is made of people.

Zecryphon said:
"Sure, you can see the law as a schoolmaster until Christ."

So the people who are unsaved today or non-believers for whatever reason don't need the law to show them that they are sinners and going to Hell as per God's law, because Jesus died for them. Is this what you believe?

I know that the law has played a role in some people's conversion, yes. but so has Billy Graham, but that doesn't mean everybody needs Billy to get saved.

Zecryphon said:
"What should they need the law for?"

Oh I don't know, how about when they go witness to people they can use the law of God to bring about the knowledge of sin in the unsaved person and by doing so show the unsaved person why they need a savior?

If that works for you, more power to ya! It's never had that effect on me or on most the people I know, though.

Zecryphon said:
"It's pointless to ask which commandments I may break (or keep!) because I'm not under the law."

Not for salvation, no. But to live a life that is pleasing to God you are required to follow the law He has laid down. What kind of testimony is it if God's standard for acceptable behavior, His law, is not followed by you? If you go around, lying, stealing, committing adultery, saying hateful things, coveting, what kind of testimony is that to the world?

A bad witness. But what does that have to do with the law?

Zecryphon said:
What we do, how we behave is direct testimony about how we feel about God. If we live according to His standard we give good testimony. If we ignore His standard because we think it doesn't apply anymore and do whatever we want, we give bad testimony.

I'm not ignoring his standard. I just don't see what I'm supposed to need the law for. I'm not only a gentile, but also saved and born again.

OldChurchGuy · Jun 18, 2007

david1988 said:
If you look at the 10 Commandments the Catholic Church uses and compare them with the 10 Commandments the Protestant Churches use, you will notice a difference in the way they are listed.

How can Churches have two different 10 Commandments?

They both can't be correct. One of them has to be in error!

Which one is correct? The Catholic or the Protestant?

Here are the Catholic 10 Commandments:

Below is the Protestant 10 Commandments

What I noticed is the 2nd Commandment is different in Catholic 10 Commandments compared with the Protestant 10 Commandments.

What happened to the 2nd Commandment in the Catholic 10 Commandments?

The answer is the Catholic's divided the 10th Commandment into 2 parts. And eliminated the 2nd Commandment.

Why did they do this?

Or did God give Moses two versions of the 10 Commandments, one for Catholics and another for Protestants?

d@vid

David,

I checked the NAB source mentioned for the Catholic version of the 10 commandments and it has the verses about false idols.

Just out of curiosity, where did you find these two versions of the 10 commandments?

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

pgp_protector · Jun 18, 2007

The first one (The "Catholic 10 Commandments") can be found --> http://www.ascensionpress.com/shop/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=25

pgp_protector · Jun 18, 2007

I'm having a hard time finding the source for the second image.

found one source (via Yahoo)

http://compuwiz.net/
http://endtimes.tv/10 commandments.jpeg

Appears to be the second one.

Zecryphon · Jun 18, 2007

holo said:
Sure, one can use the law to try and convert people. But the law is for the wicked and the ungodly. It has no business in OUR lives.

In the physical club/building, yes. But the ACTUAL Church is made of people.

I know that the law has played a role in some people's conversion, yes. but so has Billy Graham, but that doesn't mean everybody needs Billy to get saved.

If that works for you, more power to ya! It's never had that effect on me or on most the people I know, though.

A bad witness. But what does that have to do with the law?

I'm not ignoring his standard. I just don't see what I'm supposed to need the law for. I'm not only a gentile, but also saved and born again.

"Sure, one can use the law to try and convert people. But the law is for the wicked and the ungodly. It has no business in OUR lives."

Yes it does. It keeps us in line, on the straight and narrow, and in a right relationship with God. He is our father, and just like our earthly fathers expect us to follow their rules, so does He. You follow them because you love Him and all parts of Him including His rules.

"In the physical club/building, yes. But the ACTUAL Church is made of people."

Yes the actual church is made of people, all kinds of people and not one of them is good or above the rules God has set forth as pleasing to Him.

"I know that the law has played a role in some people's conversion, yes. but so has Billy Graham, but that doesn't mean everybody needs Billy to get saved. "

The law plays a role in all people's conversion. If there is no conviction of sin, no knowledge of wrong doing against God, why call upon Jesus to be saved? What are you being saved from and why do you need to be saved? You need both law and gospel. For without the law the cross is foolishness. People don't understand why they need a savior until they understand they have sinned, and the only way they can understand that is by knowing which laws they have broken.

"If that works for you, more power to ya! It's never had that effect on me or on most the people I know, though".

Oh I know the law has never had that effect on you. It comes through loud and clear in your posts.

"A bad witness. But what does that have to do with the law?"

The law is what will convict you of your own sin and drive you to repentance of it and get back in a right relationship with God. But it seems a life without the law is what appeals to you and the people you know.

"I'm not ignoring his standard. I just don't see what I'm supposed to need the law for. I'm not only a gentile, but also saved and born again."

You need the law to know how to live your life in a way that is pleasing to God. No lying, stealing, adultery, murder (hateful speech and thoughts count as murder, coveting, etc. You can take yourself through all ten and see which ones you are not keeping.

christianmomof3 · Jun 18, 2007

pgp_protector said:
The first one (The "Catholic 10 Commandments") can be found --> http://www.ascensionpress.com/shop/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=25

Well, it would seem to me that the problem might be just with that company who produced that chart. Because they have all of the ten commandments in the Catholic Bible. I guess you might get a better answer if you post a question about that chart on the Catholic forum and they could tell you if they really go by that chart or what is in the Bibles.

Elife3 · Jun 18, 2007

The Protestant 10 Commandments are true to the Bible. As for the Catholic, they might believe that the original second commandment violates the first. I don't know much about Catholicism, so if my believe on the commandments difference is wrong, tell me.

david1988 · Jun 18, 2007

OldChurchGuy said:
David,

I checked the NAB source mentioned for the Catholic version of the 10 commandments and it has the verses about false idols.

Just out of curiosity, where did you find these two versions of the 10 commandments?

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

I found the Catholics version of the 10 Commandments here:

http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/catholic_charts.html

And the Protestant version of the 10 Commandments here:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~antoonwierda/sermons/tenc.htm

pgp_protector · Jun 18, 2007

david1988 said:
I found the Catholics version of the 10 Commandments here:

http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/catholic_charts.html

And the Protestant version of the 10 Commandments here:

http://home.hetnet.nl/~antoonwierda/sermons/tenc.htm

Well the second site appears to be a personal site, and no endorsement from the "Protestant Church" can be found certifying this site as valid of there views.

The First one is a online book store, selling all sorts of stuff.
Everything from military medals

to Jesus playing football

Now if you've got something from the Vatican showing that that's there official version of the 10 commandments, we might be able to talk about it.

david1988 · Jun 19, 2007

pgp_protector said:
Well the second site appears to be a personal site, and no endorsement from the "Protestant Church" can be found certifying this site as valid of there views.

The First one is a online book store, selling all sorts of stuff.
Everything from military medals

to Jesus playing football

Now if you've got something from the Vatican showing that that's there official version of the 10 commandments, we might be able to talk about it.

Here's the 10 Commandments on a Baptist Church Website:

http://www.pabc.us/view/?pageID=324077

Below is the 2nd Commandment from the Vatican. Compare the Catholic version with the Protestant version of the 2nd Commandment.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P7H.HTM

Nurbz · Jun 19, 2007

Technicly, since the 10 commandments are of the OT, and of the old covenant, they are no longer valid

NOTE: if you try to argue they are, I would bring up that OT rules also include killing unruly children and those who work on sunday. No picking and choosing with the bible!

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