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The case for meat consumption before the Flood

yeshuasavedme

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Well this may be history. The jews themselves don't seem to think so....
The Jews here, do: Ben Haim

It's just like any thing today: you cannot put all Christians or all Jews under one big umbrella of agreement on what is true history and what is True Scripture: knowing the long history of "canon" lists ever changing in Christian Churches shows that is so, and the DSS collection of manuscripts also shows us that not all Jews accepted or received all that all other Jews did, of the same time.
Even the dispute between Sadduccees and Pharisees on what was "Scripture" truth and what was not shows us that there have always been divisions and always will be, until Jesus returns and ends all disputes.
We can study for ourselves to see what corroborates in truth and what is actual fiction. We have the ability to do so, and we are given the Holy Spirit, and if we want to know, and we ask Him, He shows us what we love to see.
But if we only seek consensus of men, we are not really seeking God's opinion, but men's and men's opinions always are changing....
 
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I did not say there was anything wrong with it.
I showed corroboration for the fact that man ate meat before the flood.
Before I discovered the true history book, I had already seen that in fossils frozen in time by the mud of the flood, fish and animals were caught by the mud that entombed them from the flood with the food in their mouths. Fish ate fish, and animals ate animals.
Now that was not because of corruption, because angels ate meat with Abraham, in Genesis 18, and Jesus ate meat after He rose from the dead, and said He would keep the Passover celebration with the Apostles in the kingdom of God, which is to be established on earth in the Millennium.
Ezekiel writes of the millennial temple and the sacrifices of food that will be offered in it, and shared among the royal priesthood as part of their sustanance.
They will eat meat, and the LORD will dine with them.

PS: Why did Abel keep sheep? -For meat, drink, cheese, tunics, wool; to feed and to clothe mankind -just for the same reasons as today.

If Abel kept sheep for his food, then how would his offering to God be better than Cain's offering?
 
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If Abel kept sheep for his food, then how would his offering to God be better than Cain's offering?

He brought the best of his flock for the sacrifice.
Cain did not bring his best produce nor did he bring it with a perfect heart, for the sacrifice.

He then blamed Abel for what he caused, himself, in that his was not perfect, and his heart was not perfect towards God, and so his was not received while Abel's was.
You'll find that totally explained in the history book, the Book of Jasher, chapter 1 Book of Jasher Bible - SpeedBible by johnhurt.com
 
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He brought the best of his flock for the sacrifice.
Cain did not bring his best produce nor did he bring it with a perfect heart, for the sacrifice.

He then blamed Abel for what he caused, himself, in that his was not perfect, and his heart was not perfect towards God, and so his was not received while Abel's was.
You'll find that totally explained in the history book, the Book of Jasher, chapter 1 Book of Jasher Bible - SpeedBible by johnhurt.com

How would anybody know that? I certainly don't see it. And I don't believe what Jasher said. Cain became very angry at later time because he concerned about the offering very much.

My explanation is that Abel's offering is better because he raises the sheep for the offering (sacrificed a life), not for the food. Abel may use sheep to trade for grains.
 
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How would anybody know that? I certainly don't see it. And I don't believe what Jasher said. Cain became very angry at later time because he concerned about the offering very much.

My explanation is that Abel's offering is better because he raises the sheep for the offering (sacrificed a life), not for the food. Abel may use sheep to trade for grains.
Your explanation is wanting because produce and meat offerings are offered for the Sacrifices God taught man to offer from the beginning.


We bring our best to God, no matter how little or how much we have, we offer Him a portion of our very best, so as to seek His blessing for the year.
Abel offered from his flock his best.
Cain offered inferior produce from his harvest, and kept the best for himself.
God rebuked him and warned him, but he did not repent nor learn. Satan entered him and he killed Abel. But first, when he threatened to kill him, Abel made a prophecy about the "Avenger of blood", and Jesus corroborated that fact by calling Abel the first prophet slain by the wicked generation of those who are tempted, believe, receive, and act upon the lies of Satan.

There is no person named Jasher.
The book of the Upright or the Upright Record is history.
How would anyone know what Miriam prophesied or what Abel prophesied or what David's Psalm/Song 18 means, from the first of it to the last of it, without the "Upright Record? "Behold is it not written in the Upright Record"!
 
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Your explanation is wanting because produce and meat offerings are offered for the Sacrifices God taught man to offer from the beginning.


We bring our best to God, no matter how little or how much we have, we offer Him a portion of our very best, so as to seek His blessing for the year.
Abel offered from his flock his best.
Cain offered inferior produce from his harvest, and kept the best for himself.
God rebuked him and warned him, but he did not repent nor learn. Satan entered him and he killed Abel. But first, when he threatened to kill him, Abel made a prophecy about the "Avenger of blood", and Jesus corroborated that fact by calling Abel the first prophet slain by the wicked generation of those who are tempted, believe, receive, and act upon the lies of Satan.

There is no person named Jasher.
The book of the Upright or the Upright Record is history.
How would anyone know what Miriam prophesied or what Abel prophesied or what David's Psalm/Song 18 means, from the first of it to the last of it, without the "Upright Record? "Behold is it not written in the Upright Record"!

I would like to see a Scripture support on YOUR interpretation. History books give facts. They do NOT provide reliable interpretations. What facts described in the book of Jasher which support what you interpreted?

Tell me why would Cain want to kill Abel if he knows he is not doing the best he can? Does Cain think that he can cheat God? If yes, then he should not be angry on anything for what he did.

On the other hand, how would anyone (include you) know that Abel gave his best sheep to God? If Able did not, do you think God would still prefer Abel's offering? I would think so. As long as Abel made a life offering, good sheep or not, God will like it better.
 
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The topic of food is very important and often misunderstood in the Bible. The Garden of Eden story is about food. God did not say that if Adam and Eve disobeyed Him they would die - He said that if the ate the forbidden fruit they would die.

Please have a view of this view about food and the Bible and let's talk.
The Marriage Supper of the Lamb - YouTube
 
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How would anybody know that? I certainly don't see it. And I don't believe what Jasher said. Cain became very angry at later time because he concerned about the offering very much.

My explanation is that Abel's offering is better because he raises the sheep for the offering (sacrificed a life), not for the food. Abel may use sheep to trade for grains.

Jasher is a very interesting read, but that part also struck me as contradictory with scripture. If Jasher is an ancient document, this may have merely been error that was passed down, perhaps based on an opinion that was derived from source material. That's assuming the document we have to day was based on an ancient work. It's possible it was.

Jasher also got the birth time of Abraham wrong, which scripture clears up, but that also is an easy mistake to make. Bottom line, Jaser, Enoch, the Antiquity of the Jews, etc. at best are fallible historical accounts that can corroborate but never correct scripture.

In some ways I kind of hope Jaser could be shown to be based on an actual historical document, given the depth of the information contained in it. It would be a nice complement to Josephus' works. But there's danger in treating any of these ancient works as inspired and inerrant. That's a line I'll never cross.
 
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This is an issue where almost all creationists disagree with me.

Adam killed animals in the Garden. I don't know if he cooked steaks,
but animals could begin fearing man sooner than your theory proposes.
 
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