The bug used to make red dye.

[visionary]

The Hebrew word for “scarlet thread” in Genesis 38:29 is #8144 “shaniy” which means:

scarlet, crimson; the insect ‘coccus ilicis,’ the dried body of the female yielding colouring matter from which is made the dye used for cloth to colour it scarlet or crimson.

From this dye we get the scarlet color of the red thread used to separate the goat of the Lord from the scapegoat.

Isaiah 1:18 “… though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.”

In this verse from Isaiah, the Hebrew word for “scarlet” is once again, “shaniy,” which refers to this insect, “coccus ilicis.” The word, “crimson” (towla #8438) is often used in conjunction with the word “scarlet.” They are synonymous with each other, but “towla” refers to the worm, more than the color.

This grub, or scarlet worm, is found in a species of oak trees around the Mediterranean and is about the size of a pea. The female has a very round shape and red color. This Hebrew word crimson (towla) is also translated as “a worm, a grub, a maggot” in scripture.

There is a fascinating story behind this little worm, which will explain the profound meaning of this verse. When the life of the female coccus ilicis, (or scarlet worm) is nearing the end of her life, she climbs a tree and attaches her body to it, fixing her-self so firmly and permanently, she virtually impales herself on the tree, and never leaves again. Just before she dies, her eggs hatch and she gives birth to her young. The eggs deposited beneath her body are now protected from predators. Then, after the larvae hatch they are able to enter their own life cycle. As the mother dies, crim-son fluid from within her body, stains her own body and the surrounding wood she is attached to.

She makes the ultimate sacrifice and because of her own death, her offspring are given new life. From the crushed, dried dead bodies of such female scarlet worms, the scarlet dye is extracted and used to dye wool red.

 

[Lulav]

That's pretty cool Vis, what is that last pic?

 

[visionary]

That's pretty cool Vis, what is that last pic?

the red extract..

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Excellent Thread Vissy!


Leonardo Da Vinci painted a picture of that worm.

It is those little secrets like that which Da Vinci used as language.

Really cool thread~!

 

[Lulav]

the red extract..

Cool, I am surprised it is so clear.

You Ok where you are, I didn't see you post in the storm thread.

 

[visionary]

The crushed bug contains a anti-bacterial chemical agent and that could be part of the reason why it is used in two types of purification ceremonies

Scarlet scarlet - Online Bible Study Tools

It was included in the purification of the house

.Leviticus 14:52 “And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet”

Scarlet was also used in the formula with the ashes of the red heifer

Leviticus 19:6 “And the priest shall take cedar wood, and hyssop, and scarlet, and cast it into the midst of the burning of the heifer”

These ashes were used to cleanse a person when they came into contact with a dead body (a host for bacteria). This crimson, the worm coccus ilicis, was necessary to make one clean, which is symbolic of the blood of Yeshua removing the sin of disease and death from us.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised [crushed] for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

or as the Book of Hebrew says.

Hebrews 9:13-14 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of our Messiah Yeshua, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

 

[visionary]

The scarlet cord referred to in the book of Joshua, when Rahab hung “scarlet” from her window, which preserved her life from the invasion.

Joshua 2:21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.

 

[visionary]

Now just for coincidences... In Latin, ilicis; literally means;it is finished!

 

[visionary]

How about this for another interesting connection.. The perfect woman in Proverbs has her household is clothed in scarlet

Prov 31:21 “She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.”

 

[visionary]

Yeshua calls Himself "a worm", so is it the scarlet worm He is thinking of...

Most people agree that Psalm 22 is a depiction of the Messiah to come.

Psalm 22:1-6. “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent. But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel. Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them. They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded. But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.”

 

[visionary]

That's pretty cool Vis, what is that last pic?

Here is a little more detail about the path the worm takes to get to the last pic. Studying the characteristics and the life cycle of the crimson or scarlet worm I find some very interesting parallels. Here are just a few things that I have discovered about the crimson worm and how it relates to the death of Yeshua.

First, the crimson worm climbs on the tree all by itself. Nobody forces it to get on the tree. It willingly searches out the kermes oak which is symbolic of its destiny. Then, by its own choice it climbs on the tree. Please understand that nobody forced Yeshua on his destiny path. What He did was of His own choice. He could have called all the angels of Heaven to release Him but He died alone for you and me. The crimson worm knows when it climbs on the tree that it will not come back down alive. It is going to the tree to birth a family and to do that it must die. Yeshua was also willing to die to birth [born again] family.

Once on the tree, the crimson worm then attaches itself to the tree. It makes sure it is secure because the body of the worm will eventually be the shelter for the young, which are born. Remember, it was not nails that held our Savior to the tree [stake]. It was love! That same love and broken body of our Lord is the protection for us against all the winds of heresy and unbelief of the ages. The worm will then lay its eggs and shelter them under her body.

During the birthing process, she secretes a crimson fluid or gel. The scarlet fluid covers her entire body and all the eggs she lays. It also leaves a stain on the tree, which will never fade away with the passing of time! That is what this picture you asked about is.

After dying to birth the family, something amazing takes place. For a period of three days the worm can be scraped from the tree and the crimson gel can be used to make a dye. That dye was the same which was used in the tabernacle and in the garments of the High Priest. That includes Yeshua's High Priest's garment. 'Revealing Yeshua' Scarlet for purification Blood for the ritual

On the morning of the fourth day, the worm has pulled the head and tail together and is now in the shape of a heart on the tree but it is no longer crimson. It is now a wax, which is white as snow. After three days, the dead mother crimson worm’s body loses its crimson color and turns into a white wax which falls to the ground like snow. They can still harvest the wax and use it to make shellac, a preservative of wood. Praise God for the resurrection, which serves as the preservative of the message of salvation.

The crimson worm is also very fragrant when it is crushed. No other life in history has sweetened the pathway of humanity like the crimson worm who was crushed for our sin, Yeshua.

 

[visionary]

The veil of the tabernacle separated the Holy Place of the temple from the Holy of Holies. Yet this curtain is more than a cloth barrier, it is a model of the suffering Messiah and that by His blood access is made into the very presence of the Most High.

We are given a list of three colors to weave this veil; blue, purple and scarlet. Each of these colors has a symbolic meaning. Blue is the color of the heavens and the heavenly regions. Purple is the color of royalty and kingship. Scarlet is the color of blood, sacrifice and death.

 

[Lulav]

techelet (which can be either blue or purple depending on the process of the myrex) is also from an unclean animal as well, is there some meaning to that you think?

 

[Kiyyah3]

Now just for coincidences... In Latin, “ilicis“ literally means….“it is finished!“

Could you explain this please?

 

[visionary]

Could you explain this please?

In Latin, ilicis; literally means; it is finished!
The Hebrew word for scarlet thread in Genesis 38:29 is shaniy which means

scarlet, crimson; the insect coccus ilicis; the dried body of the female yielding colouring matter from which is made the dye used for cloth to color it scarlet or crimson.

 

[Kiyyah3]

In Latin, ilicis; literally means; it is finished!
The Hebrew d for scarlet thread in Genesis 38:29 is shaniy which means

scarlet, crimson; the insect coccus ilicis; the dried body of the female yielding colouring matter from which is made the dye used for cloth to color it scarlet or crimson.

Thank you! That is utterly amazing! WOW!

 

[Lulav]

This is a very old thread, made on the old software.

If @visionary sees this she might be able to decipher it for you.

 

[pinacled]

Here is a little more detail about the path the worm takes to get to the last pic. Studying the characteristics and the life cycle of the crimson or scarlet worm I find some very interesting parallels. Here are just a few things that I have discovered about the crimson worm and how it relates to the death of Yeshua.

First, the crimson worm climbs on the tree all by itself. Nobody forces it to get on the tree. It willingly searches out the kermes oak which is symbolic of its destiny. Then, by its own choice it climbs on the tree. Please understand that nobody forced Yeshua on his destiny path. What He did was of His own choice. He could have called all the angels of Heaven to release Him but He died alone for you and me. The crimson worm knows when it climbs on the tree that it will not come back down alive. It is going to the tree to birth a family and to do that it must die. Yeshua was also willing to die to birth [born again] family.

Once on the tree, the crimson worm then attaches itself to the tree. It makes sure it is secure because the body of the worm will eventually be the shelter for the young, which are born. Remember, it was not nails that held our Savior to the tree [stake]. It was love! That same love and broken body of our Lord is the protection for us against all the winds of heresy and unbelief of the ages. The worm will then lay its eggs and shelter them under her body.

During the birthing process, she secretes a crimson fluid or gel. The scarlet fluid covers her entire body and all the eggs she lays. It also leaves a stain on the tree, which will never fade away with the passing of time! That is what this picture you asked about is.

After dying to birth the family, something amazing takes place. For a period of three days the worm can be scraped from the tree and the crimson gel can be used to make a dye. That dye was the same which was used in the tabernacle and in the garments of the High Priest. That includes Yeshua's High Priest's garment. 'Revealing Yeshua' Scarlet for purification Blood for the ritual

On the morning of the fourth day, the worm has pulled the head and tail together and is now in the shape of a heart on the tree but it is no longer crimson. It is now a wax, which is white as snow. After three days, the dead mother crimson worm’s body loses its crimson color and turns into a white wax which falls to the ground like snow. They can still harvest the wax and use it to make shellac, a preservative of wood. Praise God for the resurrection, which serves as the preservative of the message of salvation.

The crimson worm is also very fragrant when it is crushed. No other life in history has sweetened the pathway of humanity like the crimson worm who was crushed for our sin, Yeshua.

My only suggestion is to call such a creature a grub opposed to worm.

And interesting parallel would be the grub in the account of yonah(jonah).

Worm is typically a classification for asexual species alone. Where as grubs are typically the larvae offspring of male/female.

Excellent subject sis.

And Thank you Lulav for sharing this.

A blessing indeed.

 

[Kiyyah3]

My only suggestion is to call such a creature a grub opposed to worm.

And interesting parallel would be the grub in the account of yonah(jonah).

Worm is typically a classification for asexual species alone. Where as grubs are typically the larvae offspring of male/female.

Excellent subject sis.

And Thank you Lulav for sharing this.

A blessing indeed.

So Powerful! What an amazing God we have. Thank you for this information.

 

[pinacled]

So Powerful! What an amazing God we have. Thank you for this information.

Don't get too excited just yet..

The insect in question is a louse, which is somewhat parasitic in nature.
Not exactly the epitomy of Our Lord Yeshua.

Further more, consider the tree(oak that they feed upon. Abstain from blood is What I hear in the Spirit.
The oak is firstly an example of cruelty that befell a certain nation that was deceived.
Ya'akov left a reminder of such. And So to did The Lord when avshalom received his punishment for mercilessly, and decietfully conceited to rebellion.

Personally, I would never consider my Lord Yeshua to be such an insect.
Humble yes, parasitic no. Never.

As for the red dye used.
There is many a tradition in the Talmud that explains there is no such knowledge of its source.
And for good reason in my humble opinion.

I've fellowshipped with viz for a few yrs now and have learned that she will share or distribute what she finds to help inform.
Whether or not she offers an opinion on the subject should be the focus.

So from what I've shared and what is currently available concerning entomology.
Ask yourself if either a worm, or grub lays eggs?
Answer; they don't.

So what was this information really about?