The Bread of the Last Supper...

[Luke950]

What many Christians call the Last Supper was the last Passover meal that Jesus ate before He was crucified. When He said the unleavened bread was His body, He was explaining how the Passover pointed to Him and His sacrifice. Remember Jesus calling Himself the Bread of Life (John 6:35)? Also, the Passover Bread the Jews used then (and now!) was striped (By His stripes we are healed), has many holes in it (He was pierced for our iniquities), and the scorch marks resemble bruises (He was bruised for our transgressions). In the Passover, the bread is passed out to all participating, the rest is symbolically buried, then later "resurrected".

Almost every aspect of the Passover has a direct correlation to Jesus' sacrifice and Resurrection.

 

[Hackett]

What many Christians call the Last Supper was the last Passover meal that Jesus ate before He was crucified. When He said the unleavened bread was His body, He was explaining how the Passover pointed to Him and His sacrifice. Remember Jesus calling Himself the Bread of Life (John 6:35)? Also, the Passover Bread the Jews used then (and now!) was striped (By His stripes we are healed), has many holes in it (He was pierced for our iniquities), and the scorch marks resemble bruises (He was bruised for our transgressions). In the Passover, the bread is passed out to all participating, the rest is symbolically buried, then later "resurrected".

Almost every aspect of the Passover has a direct correlation to Jesus' sacrifice and Resurrection.

So, how do you see the practice of communion we participate in today? Do you see the bread as the actual body of Christ?

 

[BarbB]

Welcome, Luke950!

I agree totally with what you've said here. In addition, it should tell us the true time of year of his crucifixion and resurrection, no? Certainly not on an artificial date of Easter which by church law/custom may never be at the same time as passover.

 

[Luke950]

So, how do you see the practice of communion we participate in today? Do you see the bread as the actual body of Christ?

Sorry, no. I mean no offence to those who do, but I believe Jesus was speaking Spiritually, not actually.

 

[Oblio]

Certainly not on an artificial date of Easter which by church law/custom may never be at the same time as passover.

It is not artificial (how can the Body of Christ create something artificial ?), but it is always after the Jewish passover because Pascha is the new Passover, forshadowed by the old which has now passed away.

 

[Luke950]

Welcome, Luke950!

I agree totally with what you've said here. In addition, it should tell us the true time of year of his crucifixion and resurrection, no? Certainly not on an artificial date of Easter which by church law/custom may never be at the same time as passover.

Thank you much for the welcome! I also agree with your point.

 

[BarbB]

It is not artificial (how can the Body of Christ create something artificial ?), but it is always after the Jewish passover because Pascha is the new Passover, forshadowed by the old which has now passed away.

The Bible clearly states the dates of the last supper, the crucifixion and the resurrection and it had nothing to do with the first full moon after the ... before the ,... but not if it falls on Passover. Yeshua died on Passover, was buried on the feast of Unleavened Bread and was resurrected on the Feast of Firstfruits.

 

[eoe]

What many Christians call the Last Supper was the last Passover meal that Jesus ate before He was crucified. When He said the unleavened bread was His body, He was explaining how the Passover pointed to Him and His sacrifice. Remember Jesus calling Himself the Bread of Life (John 6:35)? Also, the Passover Bread the Jews used then (and now!) was striped (By His stripes we are healed), has many holes in it (He was pierced for our iniquities), and the scorch marks resemble bruises (He was bruised for our transgressions). In the Passover, the bread is passed out to all participating, the rest is symbolically buried, then later "resurrected".

What day was Christ crucified on?
What day did passover start?
What day then did the last supper take place?

 

[Luke950]

It is not artificial (how can the Body of Christ create something artificial ?), but it is always after the Jewish passover because Pascha is the new Passover, forshadowed by the old which has now passed away.

Since cannibalism is a sin, I can't accept that somehow the bread would actually turn into His body. Whomever is wrong, I don't believe that person will be damned for it. What do you think?

Jesus came not to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. The old way of observing the Passover has indeed passed away, as Jesus always was and is the one true sacrifice for the remission of sins. He fulfilled all of the ceremonial law with His death and Resurrection.

Since the old way has passed, I'm not sure that we need to celebrate it exactly on whenever the 14th day of Nisan occurs (Sorry, Newlamb!) but do not feel that doing so is wrong. I consider it very important to remember that now we are not to observe Passover as necessary for Salvation. Rather, we celebrate it in remembrance of what our Lord did for us.

 

[BarbB]

That's OK, Luke. I do agree with this comment, though!

I consider it very important to remember that now we are not to observe Passover as necessary for Salvation. Rather, we celebrate it in remembrance of what our Lord did for us.

 

[heymikey80]

Sorry, no. I mean no offence to those who do, but I believe Jesus was speaking Spiritually, not actually.

I'm interested. Is the Spirit actual? Or do you mean by "Spiritually" that Jesus was just speaking figuratively -- or just not speaking physically?

I think the Lord's Supper is a Spiritual feeding, but I think it's the Real Spirit of Christ that is conferred on us through the right use of the Supper.

It seems to me somewhere Scripture talks about the Spirit being the reality. Again, I don't mean the "figurative", as that's not more real than the physical. But it seems to me that Spirit is not simply "figure".

As a result I don't get caught up in the haggling over the physical Body and Blood, I see His sacrifice as accomplishing something for me and bringing me into a Real union with Him. That union doesn't seem to be physical -- I can't poke Jesus in the ribs right next to me. But it's real to me, nevertheless.

 

[Luke950]

What day was Christ crucified on?
What day did passover start?
What day then did the last supper take place?

Hi, eoe!
I think Newlamb would agree that Christ was crucified at the end of the 14th day of Nisan.
The Passover started at the beginning of the 14th of Nisan.
The Last Supper is simply the last Passover meal that Jesus participated in.

People tend to forget that the Jewish days start in the evening ("the evening and the morning were the first day",etc). So what would be two dates for us is only one day on a Jewish calendar. Jesus was buried just before the evening, the beginning of the 15th day of Nisan, known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The 16th of Nisan was a regular Sabbath day, so Jesus did arise until the 1st day of the week, which we call Sunday.

 

[Oblio]

People tend to forget that the Jewish days start in the evening ("the evening and the morning were the first day",etc).

And people tend to forget that Orthodox Christians start their day at the setting of the Sun with the singing of O' Gladsome Light at evening Vespers

 

[Quijote]

What many Christians call the Last Supper was the last Passover meal that Jesus ate before He was crucified. When He said the unleavened bread was His body, He was explaining how the Passover pointed to Him and His sacrifice. Remember Jesus calling Himself the Bread of Life (John 6:35)? Also, the Passover Bread the Jews used then (and now!) was striped (By His stripes we are healed), has many holes in it (He was pierced for our iniquities), and the scorch marks resemble bruises (He was bruised for our transgressions). In the Passover, the bread is passed out to all participating, the rest is symbolically buried, then later "resurrected".

Almost every aspect of the Passover has a direct correlation to Jesus' sacrifice and Resurrection.

Just to add to what you said:

I always understood that the Israelites had to also eat the lamb as part of God's instructions.

 

[Protestante]

Since cannibalism is a sin, I can't accept that somehow the bread would actually turn into His body. Whomever is wrong, I don't believe that person will be damned for it. What do you think?

Well I dont think theyd be damned, as long as nobody is adding anything to the gospel so that it is "necessary" for salvation.

 

[Luke950]

I'm interested. Is the Spirit actual? Or do you mean by "Spiritually" that Jesus was just speaking figuratively -- or just not speaking physically?

I think the Lord's Supper is a Spiritual feeding, but I think it's the Real Spirit of Christ that is conferred on us through the right use of the Supper.

It seems to me somewhere Scripture talks about the Spirit being the reality. Again, I don't mean the "figurative", as that's not more real than the physical. But it seems to me that Spirit is not simply "figure".

As a result I don't get caught up in the haggling over the physical Body and Blood, I see His sacrifice as accomplishing something for me and bringing me into a Real union with Him. That union doesn't seem to be physical -- I can't poke Jesus in the ribs right next to me. But it's real to me, nevertheless.

Well said, heymikey80! I appreciate the input!

 

[Luke950]

Just to add to what you said:

I always understood that the Israelites had to also eat the lamb as part of God's instructions.

That is my understanding also.

 

[Luke950]

Well I dont think theyd be damned, as long as nobody is adding anything to the gospel so that it is "necessary" for salvation.

I agree. Thanks!

 

[eoe]

Hi, eoe!
I think Newlamb would agree that Christ was crucified at the end of the 14th day of Nisan.
The Passover started at the beginning of the 14th of Nisan.
The Last Supper is simply the last Passover meal that Jesus participated in.

Jesus was buried just before the evening, the beginning of the 15th day of Nisan, known as the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

So then why would Christ have used unleavened bread ~48 hours before passover?

(Joh 13:26) Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

Ever tried to "dip a sop" with unleavened bread? It breaks and is not very useful at all.

 

[Luke950]

And people tend to forget that Orthodox Christians start their day at the setting of the Sun with the singing of O' Gladsome Light at evening Vespers

I know almost nothing about your particular denomination. I was born again outside of any kind of church in 1986, finally started attending regularly two yrs ago. I was raised to believe in almost anything or nothing at all. "Whatever you do, stay away from that book of Jewish/Christian mythology!"-Dad. After about 18 mos. of witnessing to him, he finally accepted Christ! Five minutes later, he unexpectedly died of a massive heart attack. Sometimes I almost envy him...

Anyway, I would like to learn more about Orthodoxy...