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The brain is not sufficient for consciousness

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FLAMING AND GOADING:
Do not personally attack other members or groups of members on CF. Address only the content of the postand not the poster.
NO Goading. This includes images, cartoons, or smileys clearly meant togoad.

You did both of the above yet you excuse yourself

In which case you have no right to "debate" since you do not follow the rules for yourself
 
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i think you need to read the rules. I think I remember clearly hearing that these little emojis are actually against the rules of this forum
Their use breaks the rules when 'clearly meant to goad'.
But you are allowed to use them because?
Because I don't use them with intent to goad.

But again, if you think it's against the rules, then you should report those posts.
 
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FLAMING AND GOADING:
Do not personally attack other members or groups of members on CF. Address only the content of the postand not the poster.
NO Goading. This includes images, cartoons, or smileys clearly meant togoad.

You did both of the above yet you excuse yourself

In which case you have no right to "debate" since you do not follow the rules for yourself
Hmm, I could take that as a personal attack... [smiley substitute: that wasn't serious]
 
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miknik5

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But back to the topic. God is able to convict a man

And it is not something to take lightly His conviction

It is much better that God convicts for the alternative is a
seared conscience

But not all men are under submission and subject to Gods word and law
Therefore they will do what pleases themselves regardless of what is right and righteous before all men
 
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Hmm, I could take that as a personal attack... [smiley substitute: that wasn't serious]
Okay sir we are getting no where. You are free? to do what you wish and add unnecessary embellishments to debates?

And you feel that this is right?

I don't and I won't be resorting to these measures to somehow silence the opponent and think I have won the argument....validly
 
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Okay sir we are getting no where. You are free? to do what you wish and add unnecessary embellishments to debates?

And you feel that this is right?

I don't and I won't be resorting to these measures to somehow silence the opponent and think I have won the argument....validly
I'm not even sure what the argument was anymore, but I'm glad you feel you won it, and validly.
 
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miknik5

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LOL. Not sure I agree
That you don't know what the argument was about.


And the only think that I didn't do (which you did) was to resort to certain questionable tactics that were not valid at all
And what we are both guilty of was brain overload to everyone reading this thread
 
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http://qz.com/722614/a-civil-servan...ges-our-most-basic-theories-of-consciousness/


It seems as though evolution has struck another landmine. One of the biggest problems of evolution is explaining the origin of consciousness and the mind because it doesnt conform to evolutionary principles although thats what evolutionary psychologists would have you believe. The above article shows that the brain is not sufficient for human consciousness, the mind, or life. Evolutionary psychology says that the mind and everything that you are is based on adaptive mechanisms which arose in our "Pleistocene past" and you are nothing more than a cognitive neural program (whatever that means). This is obviously not true but it is the only explanation which evolution provides. To say that we are evolved is to agree with the assumption that we are merely a bag of chemicals and nothing more, with no meaning. This also is obviously not true because you live as if your life means something, even if you dont consciously acknowledge it. Can anyone explain why evolution is still not gone away?

Evolution has not gone away because it offers the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth and is supported by proven evidence.
 
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Evolution has not gone away because it offers the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth and is supported by proven evidence.
What are we evolving to?
A better state of being?
Or a further moving away from the Original state and design?
 
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What are we evolving to?
A better state of being?
Or a further moving away from the Original state and design?
I am no expert but I don't think we are evolving to anything, we would just evolve so that the best suited to the environment would be more successful. In the modern developed world the best suited to the environment may be those with the highest intellect, in which case we would expect to see the intellect of humanity improving over time, but as I said I'm no expert.
 
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Nothing remains constant. We change and our environment changes and we effect change and are affected by change

I do not believe that this is evolving to a better state but moving further away from the original state

The environment is not perfect and we aren't perfect

But in the beginning everything was perfect

But man can't go back to the beginning and diesnt take the beginning and starting point as The frame of reference to understand that creation is actually winding down and away from that starting point

And if man could and would take the starting point he would see that evolution isn't a moving to a more better existence but a moving away from it
 
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I am no expert but I don't think we are evolving to anything, we would just evolve so that the best suited to the environment would be more successful. In the modern developed world the best suited to the environment may be those with the highest intellect, in which case we would expect to see the intellect of humanity improving over time, but as I said I'm no expert.
According to geneticists, we're evolving faster than ever (over the last 10,000 years or so, 'recent' times for population genetics). This is probably due to major changes in diet and lifestyle, settled populations, farming, etc.

Intellect will only improve via evolution if it has a selective reproductive advantage - e.g. if it makes you a more attractive mate. I'm not sure this likely to be true over the long term - we've evolved to find certain kinds of physical features attractive, and I suspect this is likely to be more significant in the long term (assuming civilization continues). But it's guesswork - at present, travel and migration are homogenizing differences between populations.
 
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That can't have been true. If it was the Fall would not have happened.
Are you still in the Garden of GOD, then?
Do not be confused in understanding that GOD'S GRACE was from the beginning...

GOD wasn't taken off guard by Adam/Mankind/Our fall...HE knew Adam/mankind/our fall...and yet, HE still created us.

We had to come forth into the world, didn't we?
And the created world, and everything that came straight from HIS HANDS from the beginning was declared GOOD...
 
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Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...FOR IN THE DAY THAT YOU EAT of it...

You will surely die.

Note the capped letters.
Declaring that there would be a day when we would.

Again, GOD, knowing OUR fall, still created us...
Because GOD, who can see into one day one thousand years...knew already the end from the beginning.
 
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Here's another TRUTH, the TREE of LIFE was also in the GARDEN...but man, lest he eat of THAT TREE and live forever, was sent out from the GARDEN and the WAY was blocked.

But GOD provided THE WAY back...
Some have heard and believed THE TRUTH.
Others have and have not believed THE TRUTH.
 
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According to geneticists, we're evolving faster than ever (over the last 10,000 years or so, 'recent' times for population genetics). This is probably due to major changes in diet and lifestyle, settled populations, farming, etc.

Intellect will only improve via evolution if it has a selective reproductive advantage - e.g. if it makes you a more attractive mate. I'm not sure this likely to be true over the long term - we've evolved to find certain kinds of physical features attractive, and I suspect this is likely to be more significant in the long term (assuming civilization continues). But it's guesswork - at present, travel and migration are homogenizing differences between populations.
Until 2Thesselonians 2 actually happens...

 
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Here's another TRUTH, the TREE of LIFE was also in the GARDEN...but man, lest he eat of THAT TREE and live forever, was sent out from the GARDEN and the WAY was blocked.

But GOD provided THE WAY back...
Some have heard and believed THE TRUTH.
Others have and have not believed THE TRUTH.

From the Philosophy Statement of Purpose (bolding mine):

"The CF Philosophy forum is not intended for general apologetics of Christianity, i.e., the defense of the Christian faith against arguments, objections or attacks from non-Christians. Nor is this forum intended as a means for Christian evangelism (persuasion) of unbelievers."
 
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