The Book of Revelation

Revealing Times said:

They can't see the Rapture thus we are blind !! Don't sweat it, Jesus said all can't see even when they see, and all can't hear even when the hear. No use debating them, just make sure others hear the truth.

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No use debating anyone, really. When it comes to eschatology and Revelation in particular, the "experts" all come out of the woodwork and advance their well-studied dogma. Everyone is too proud to learn or even admit they might have something a bit wrong. It's sad to see, really.

Big Drew said:

I've read the New Testament multiple times, as well as most of the books of the Old Testament...I've only read Revelation once.

I recently tried to do so again...and I can never get into it. All the symbolic language. I've tried reading it from several different translations...I just don't get it.

Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology? My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

I would like to get a better understanding of the book though. Are there any good study helps, that aren't slanted one way or the other, that anyone could recommend? Should I just pick up a Thompson chain reference and let scripture interpret scripture?

The only other books I have struggled with are the ones in the OT with all the begats...well and Leviticus...so what is it about this book?

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Big Drew, you stated: "...let Scripture interpret Scripture". Big Drew Scripture cannot interpret Scripture itself. It is the Church Christ founded on Rock that compiled Scripture that interprets Scripture, and no other church.

Since the protestants reformation people have let Scripture interpret Scripture to fit their own agenda. This proof, is in the chaos we see today re: the 33,000+ different protestant denomination and non-denominations, with their many different interpretation of Scripture not agreeing with one another, BUT all agreeing against the Catholic Church. What protestantism is unaware of, is that they are biting the Hand that feeds them the Truth, because this Catholic Church is the Pillar and foundation of all Truth.

The Catholic Church, who again, Compiled Scripture into a book called Bible, a Church that ALREADY Interpreted all of Scripture GUIDED BY THE HOLY GHOST, 1500 years BEFORE the protestant reformation/Deformation. Any other new interpretation by protestantism is not of Jesus Christ.

Drew to find the Correct interpretation of Scripture, you have to find the First Church that interpreted all of Scripture. Unless you feel that the Holy Ghost made a mistake with the first interpretations and had to have the protestant church 1500 years later come in to help HIM who is the Paraclete, to correct It? The answer is, Never! Because the Paraclete does not know how to make a mistake.

dysert said:

Matthew 24 is indeed a good resource, but if someone doesn't have a decent grasp of eschatology, that might be just as confusing as Revelation itself. After all, Jesus is answering two questions related to two different periods of time. Separating these periods of time in His answers will be difficult for some. (I have written a short paper on the Olivet Discourse which attempts to clear that up. Should anyone care to look at it, it lives at
OLIVET_DISCOURSE.PDF)

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Excellent analysis on Matthew 24. I noticed you stopped at verse 31. This is why I say its three questions instead of two, it would probably be more proper to say two questions and Jesus had to give three answers. The Temple was spoken of, though vaguely, then the signs of his coming and the End of the Age, however I think Jesus gives us a sign of the Rapture for Messianic Jews also in verses 32-44.

Nonetheless what you covered was very good stuff, I agree with 99.5 percent of it, I have a thread up on Matthew 24. Just to be brief here as to a few things to ponder on (since I read the whole exegesis and bookmarked it).

I think verse 4-6 can be tricky. People might include this in the 2000 year panoramic view here, but this is, imho, all about the Temples destruction. Its vague, but I think Jesus teaching them in a live audience somehow made it clearer as pertaining to this understanding. Here is my point.

No doubt the Jewish leaders thought this was the time for the Messiah to come forth, they were looking for him and history tells us they tried to force many Messiah(s) into the role at this time. So Jesus is warning the disciples, who I think the Holy Spirit has led away into other lands for safety's sake and to take the Gospel forth, not to believe that he (Jesus) is come again at this tumultuous time. That is why he says many will come saying I am the Messiah (Christ) and will deceive many (70ish AD) and you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. This is not the 2000 year panoramic view of wars, this is the 70 AD rumor of wars, Jesus is telling them all this then says "Don't be troubled, the End is NOT YET."

Jesus wanted them to understand, that in foreign lands, when they heard of Jerusalem's demise and the Temples demise, not to think it was the End, and not to believe the lies about the Messiahs that the Jewish leaders would be claiming had come to save them. He is warning them, don't buy the lies and go back to Jerusalem at this time. The end is BY AND BY........Then he goes into the 2000 year panoramic view, Nations will rise against Nations/Kingdoms against Kingdoms. You see I think Jesus gave us the story about the Temples destruction in much more detail than we realize, we just miss it because we are looking for a detailed destruction of the Temple, when Jesus was only warning the Disciples what NOT TO BELIEVE and what to STAY AWAY FROM. In other words he knew they would hear of the war of Rome coming against Jerusalem (rumors of wars). But he says, this will not be the end. Then comes the 2000 year view.

Most everything is spot on. The hair on your head analysis is spot on as is the Abomination of Desolation and the Israel fleeing Jerusalem point.

In verse 23-28 you are right about the false prophet and Anti-Christ, but I think the Anti-Christ's motive and Jesus' warning is for a slightly different reason. Israel is protected by God, as long as they remain in their safe space for 1260 days, wherever that is (some say maybe Petra). But I think Jesus here is warning the Jewish peoples, do not believe the lies, do not believe I have come again, do not go to the Desert nor to the Secret Chambers (no doubt the Anti-Christ wants to kill them by luring them out, thus the deception). Then Jesus says, for I will come in the Eastern skies, immediately after the tribulation.

As for the rest who are living, the Anti-Christ has gone mad, he doesn't have to deceive anyone, he will have total power. He has to deceive Israel because they are protected by God, unless they leave their Wilderness hiding place.

Nice Job overall, that was very tight, awesome....it surprised me.

joshua 1 9 said:

There are basic rules for Bible interpretation that they teach in Bible college. A google search can bring up various web sites that talks about this. We know that John was writing to: "To the seven churches in the province of Asia". So the church today would be the secondary audience or reader of John's letter to the church.

Hermeneutics: the Eight Rules of Biblical Interpretation

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Again let me reiterate that this is not John's Revelation. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ that God the Father gave to his Son. John is an authorized messenger alongside the Angel who passed down that message onto him. So John becomes the head of the Church in his time, to be authorized to deliver the message to the entire Church that was located in the middle east.

Now as for who it was meant for, is not a very difficult question to answer. The letter originated and was authored by God the Father, where by his message is timeless. Because God the Father's message is timeless, it is therefore meant to be delivered to all the Church and throughout the Church Age, leading up to the Lord's coming. As the message states, for the time is at hand.

It would be preposterous to think that God the Father would dispense a pertinent message to his Son's Church if it were only for 0.001% of the audience, rather when you tie up old testament scripture, the message is timeless and it addresses all the Church.....

17I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18and through your offspringb all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me.” (Genesis 22)

We can immediately discern that the old testament prophesy is fulfilled, through the seven Spirits of the Lord, dispensed upon the seven Churches of Jesus Christ Revelation, where the gospel will eventually find itself across the sea shores in the peoples of all nations. Jesus said the gospel will be preached in all the world, then the end cometh.

This means the time is at hand rallies the Church to continue its great commission works until the end. Obviously since we have the evidence before us, that all nations were not conscripted in Christ during John passing down the message, hence the audience of his time accounted for only 0.001% of the audience that the seven Spirits represents, within the context of the great commission to preach the gospel.

In Zechariah these seven Spirits are as follows....

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The Gold Lampstand is the symbol of the entire new covenant Church. This is paralleled in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

1And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep, 2And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: 3And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left sidethereof. 4So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? 5Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. 6Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. 7Who art thou, O great mountain/Church congregation? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain/salvation highway: and he shall bring forth the headstone Jesus Christ thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.

8Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 9The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.10For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.

The Two Olive Trees

11Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? 12And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? 13And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.14Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

The symbol of the Church from Jesus to the end is the two witnesses that minister the gospel onto the world. It is the church that pours out and has been pouring out the golden oil of salvation through its commission to preach the gospel and to convert many to Christ Jesus as the many disciples of Christ.

Big Drew said:

I've read the New Testament multiple times, as well as most of the books of the Old Testament...I've only read Revelation once.

I recently tried to do so again...and I can never get into it. All the symbolic language. I've tried reading it from several different translations...I just don't get it.

Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology? My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

I would like to get a better understanding of the book though. Are there any good study helps, that aren't slanted one way or the other, that anyone could recommend? Should I just pick up a Thompson chain reference and let scripture interpret scripture?

The only other books I have struggled with are the ones in the OT with all the begats...well and Leviticus...so what is it about this book?

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I think that the book of Revelation is beyond most ordinary minded people. I have read it several times and have gained a bit more insight each time. What has made a big difference is reading books that have been written explaining Revelation. Since then, I have a greater understanding of end time events. There are plenty on the market so don't stop at one as there are obviously different understandings of the book but don't be phased by that fact.

The Book of Revelation

These are the words of instruction to John by the authorized Angel.......

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

This letter is directly from Jesus Christ, for it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ that God the Father gave to his Son.

The word signify, means to authorize under the direct authority of the King of kings, who is Jesus Christ. The word signify comes from the term signet ring which was worn by a king, who would imprint it on a letter to say that it was directly from the king and he who delivered it had the authority of the king to do so.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is solely to his Church, throughout the new covenant age from the 1st century workmen, all the way to the 11th hour workmen before the return of Jesus Christ, where the end of this world is declared and a beginning of a new life eternal in Christ's Father's house in the heavenly realm.

Revealing Times said:

Excellent analysis on Matthew 24. I noticed you stopped at verse 31. This is why I say its three questions instead of two, it would probably be more proper to say two questions and Jesus had to give three answers. The Temple was spoken of, though vaguely, then the signs of his coming and the End of the Age, however I think Jesus gives us a sign of the Rapture for Messianic Jews also in verses 32-44.

Nonetheless what you covered was very good stuff, I agree with 99.5 percent of it, I have a thread up on Matthew 24. Just to be brief here as to a few things to ponder on (since I read the whole exegesis and bookmarked it).

I think verse 4-6 can be tricky. People might include this in the 2000 year panoramic view here, but this is, imho, all about the Temples destruction. Its vague, but I think Jesus teaching them in a live audience somehow made it clearer as pertaining to this understanding. Here is my point.

No doubt the Jewish leaders thought this was the time for the Messiah to come forth, they were looking for him and history tells us they tried to force many Messiah(s) into the role at this time. So Jesus is warning the disciples, who I think the Holy Spirit has led away into other lands for safety's sake and to take the Gospel forth, not to believe that he (Jesus) is come again at this tumultuous time. That is why he says many will come saying I am the Messiah (Christ) and will deceive many (70ish AD) and you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. This is not the 2000 year panoramic view of wars, this is the 70 AD rumor of wars, Jesus is telling them all this then says "Don't be troubled, the End is NOT YET."

Jesus wanted them to understand, that in foreign lands, when they heard of Jerusalem's demise and the Temples demise, not to think it was the End, and not to believe the lies about the Messiahs that the Jewish leaders would be claiming had come to save them. He is warning them, don't buy the lies and go back to Jerusalem at this time. The end is BY AND BY........Then he goes into the 2000 year panoramic view, Nations will rise against Nations/Kingdoms against Kingdoms. You see I think Jesus gave us the story about the Temples destruction in much more detail than we realize, we just miss it because we are looking for a detailed destruction of the Temple, when Jesus was only warning the Disciples what NOT TO BELIEVE and what to STAY AWAY FROM. In other words he knew they would hear of the war of Rome coming against Jerusalem (rumors of wars). But he says, this will not be the end. Then comes the 2000 year view.

Most everything is spot on. The hair on your head analysis is spot on as is the Abomination of Desolation and the Israel fleeing Jerusalem point.

In verse 23-28 you are right about the false prophet and Anti-Christ, but I think the Anti-Christ's motive and Jesus' warning is for a slightly different reason. Israel is protected by God, as long as they remain in their safe space for 1260 days, wherever that is (some say maybe Petra). But I think Jesus here is warning the Jewish peoples, do not believe the lies, do not believe I have come again, do not go to the Desert nor to the Secret Chambers (no doubt the Anti-Christ wants to kill them by luring them out, thus the deception). Then Jesus says, for I will come in the Eastern skies, immediately after the tribulation.

As for the rest who are living, the Anti-Christ has gone mad, he doesn't have to deceive anyone, he will have total power. He has to deceive Israel because they are protected by God, unless they leave their Wilderness hiding place.

Nice Job overall, that was very tight, awesome....it surprised me.

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Thank you for your encouraging remarks, and for the extra analysis.

The answer to your question is to ask God for wisdom as in James 1:5.
Also ask God for the spirit of wisdom and revelation as in Ephesians 1:17.
Can also see in the book of Daniel when Daniel asked for wisdom

And get an authorized king James.

Revelations is very important, I think it is primarily a call to repentance to the churches, to the Christians themselves, that the Lord is so merciful and gracious that he does not want them to perish but wants them to overcome sin and the devil.

I am much deeper in the Word than most of the saints and I believe the Lord has told me I'm a prophet, but I still don't fully understand book of revelations.

I have deliberately never read any of the books and expositions written about revelations, including the ones recommended to me. I believe the overwhelming majority of them will only contaminate the mind and are written by people who have less revelation than the amount I do as it is , and I desire much more than I have.

Revelation comes from God through the Holy Ghost (Ephesians 1:17-18) and He can give it to me just as to anyone.

I get my comunion and revelation with God and His Word directly and don't need the opinion of a man. This is stated in 1John 2:27.

Fasting and prayer mode helps.
I got deeper during the 40
day fast the Lord gave the grace for me to do. I love the Word and I prefer to be in the Word night and day.

Final piece of advice is to definitely read it in the authorized king James Bible. The Pure Cambridge edition (I think 1901 if I remember correctly), is the gold standard.

But most Bibles claiming to be the authorized king James version are pure Cambridge, or if they have alterations they are just a handful of grammar issues, and not obvious glaring distortions and deliberate doctrinal ommisions as found in the entire modern line
of translations, which are based on a compilation of highly corrupted epistles that were selected and edited by who i believe must have been a gnostic/unbeliever.

The unbelievers who selected and edited that body of scripture corrupted the finished product by consistently removing verses regarding Grace, repentance, and the deity of Christ and the fact that Jesus and the Word agree in one. In the NLT and The Message,
There are also extreme aberrations in regards to the proper role and behavior for Christian women in marriage and really even what this is all supposed to be about.

king James is the only English version that's any good. That should have been obvious to the teachers of the day as soon as NIV etc came out because anyone could see those books are full of flagrant deliberate ommisions of truth.

KJV also has far superior English and syntax which take the reader deeper too.

People who have difficulty with reading and writing could stick with a different version. Everyone else is missing out big time.
Please understand I'm not denigrating or mocking anyone . I'm saying all the saints who really want to get deeper into the Word, and especially those who have the teacher of the Word calling, or the calling of apostle or prophet, should get the King James, and ask God for wisdom and revelation in the Word and to see his love in the Word.

Satan set up the king James only cult to get the saints to discredit the fact that the pure Cambridge authorized king James is actually the only legit English version. It's not a cult to say so, and what version a person reads does not determine whether they are saved. Plenty of people are saved without ever even reading the Word in a Bible; and plenty are into varying degrees of deception and unbelief (since we are all at various stages of being regenerated and delivered from the unbelief/world/influences of the devil) and hence some stay in the corrupted translations.

Big Drew said:

I've read the New Testament multiple times, as well as most of the books of the Old Testament...I've only read Revelation once.

I recently tried to do so again...and I can never get into it. All the symbolic language. I've tried reading it from several different translations...I just don't get it.

Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology? My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

I would like to get a better understanding of the book though. Are there any good study helps, that aren't slanted one way or the other, that anyone could recommend? Should I just pick up a Thompson chain reference and let scripture interpret scripture?

The only other books I have struggled with are the ones in the OT with all the begats...well and Leviticus...so what is it about this book?

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Big Drew said:

I've read the New Testament multiple times, as well as most of the books of the Old Testament...I've only read Revelation once.

I recently tried to do so again...and I can never get into it. All the symbolic language. I've tried reading it from several different translations...I just don't get it.

Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology? My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

I would like to get a better understanding of the book though. Are there any good study helps, that aren't slanted one way or the other, that anyone could recommend? Should I just pick up a Thompson chain reference and let scripture interpret scripture?

The only other books I have struggled with are the ones in the OT with all the begats...well and Leviticus...so what is it about this book?

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Ajushi said:

The answer to your question is to ask God for wisdom as in James 1:5.
Also ask God for the spirit of wisdom and revelation as in Ephesians 1:17.
Can also see in the book of Daniel when Daniel asked for wisdom

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Good advice.

Ajushi said:

And get an authorized king James.

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I use the KJV but don'r see this as a must needs be. There are many translation mistakes in the KJV, just as there are on other versions. I would suggest people to get what they are comfortable with, then use their computers to study the Greek and Hebrew Root words involved with most of the bible.

Ajushi said:

Revelations is very important, I think it is primarily a call to repentance to the churches, to the Christians themselves, that the Lord is so merciful and gracious that he does not want them to perish but wants them to overcome sin and the devil.

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Revelation has about 3 chapters that speak about the Asia Minor churches though they might be "Types". Most of Revelation is about future events.

Big Drew said:

I've read the New Testament multiple times, as well as most of the books of the Old Testament...I've only read Revelation once.

I recently tried to do so again...and I can never get into it. All the symbolic language. I've tried reading it from several different translations...I just don't get it.

Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology?

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Which is probably a good thing for you !
Bible Prophecies are remarkably accurate but their accuracy can be verified only AFTER they happen...as history have proved.

Big Drew said:

My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

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Very good attitude ....

PanDeVida said:

Big Drew, you stated: "...let Scripture interpret Scripture". Big Drew Scripture cannot interpret Scripture itself. It is the Church Christ founded on Rock that compiled Scripture that interprets Scripture, and no other church.

Since the protestants reformation people have let Scripture interpret Scripture to fit their own agenda. This proof, is in the chaos we see today re: the 33,000+ different protestant denomination and non-denominations, with their many different interpretation of Scripture not agreeing with one another, BUT all agreeing against the Catholic Church. What protestantism is unaware of, is that they are biting the Hand that feeds them the Truth, because this Catholic Church is the Pillar and foundation of all Truth.

The Catholic Church, who again, Compiled Scripture into a book called Bible, a Church that ALREADY Interpreted all of Scripture GUIDED BY THE HOLY GHOST, 1500 years BEFORE the protestant reformation/Deformation. Any other new interpretation by protestantism is not of Jesus Christ.

Drew to find the Correct interpretation of Scripture, you have to find the First Church that interpreted all of Scripture. Unless you feel that the Holy Ghost made a mistake with the first interpretations and had to have the protestant church 1500 years later come in to help HIM who is the Paraclete, to correct It? The answer is, Never! Because the Paraclete does not know how to make a mistake.

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The series of early Greek texts known as "Textus Receptus" were quoted by early Church Father Cyprian, about 250 AD.

This was before the Papacy as we know it today, came into being.

The Textus Receptus texts were the source of the KJV and the NKJV.

Almost all other modern translations come from the Alexandrian texts discovered at Saint Catherine's Monastery during the 1800's.


Act 10:25　 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him.　

Act 10:26　 But Peter lifted him up, saying, "Stand up; I myself am also a man."　




Rev 22:8　 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.　

Rev 22:9　 Then he said to me, "See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."　

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Big Drew said:

I've read the New Testament multiple times, as well as most of the books of the Old Testament...I've only read Revelation once.

I recently tried to do so again...and I can never get into it. All the symbolic language. I've tried reading it from several different translations...I just don't get it.

Maybe it's because I don't concern myself with eschatology? My thoughts being, do the best I can while I'm here and the end will work itself out. So I guess I'm a pantribulation panmillenialist lol...whatever happens happens.

I would like to get a better understanding of the book though. Are there any good study helps, that aren't slanted one way or the other, that anyone could recommend? Should I just pick up a Thompson chain reference and let scripture interpret scripture?

The only other books I have struggled with are the ones in the OT with all the begats...well and Leviticus...so what is it about this book?

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Allow scripture to interpret scripture brother. I found it best to find answers within the book I am reading before reading other texts. This gained me some helpful principles from studying for any tests:

You will never be tested on anything you never learned in class.

The answers are either inside the box or outside the box.

Pay attention to the context and find what connects everything together.

Pay attention to time and place and use that to help identify things out of order and place.

That being said Revelation has one predominant number: 7 this points back to the seven days of creation. The main characters in Revelation are God, Jesus, Satan, the Beast, angels, and man. The key struggle is following God or Satan and reward and punishment is laid out for those who choose one side over the other. Revelation is a single prophecy from Jesus to man about being ready for His second coming. Remember that Revelation does a lot of the work in translating the symbols for us so, let's stick to what it gives us. And remember that many of the sevens overlap with one another.

YHWH_will_uplift said:

Allow scripture to interpret scripture brother. I found it best to find answers within the book I am reading before reading other texts. This gained me some helpful principles from studying for any tests:

You will never be tested on anything you never learned in class.

The answers are either inside the box or outside the box.

Pay attention to the context and find what connects everything together.

Pay attention to time and place and use that to help identify things out of order and place.

That being said Revelation has one predominant number: 7 this points back to the seven days of creation. The main characters in Revelation are God, Jesus, Satan, the Beast, angels, and man. The key struggle is following God or Satan and reward and punishment is laid out for those who choose one side over the other. Revelation is a single prophecy from Jesus to man about being ready for His second coming. Remember that Revelation does a lot of the work in translating the symbols for us so, let's stick to what it gives us. And remember that many of the sevens overlap with one another.

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From the time God said In the Beginning until man was created was 13.7 Billion years though right? Or 6 time periods and we are in the 7th time period of Gods Rest as we speak.

YHWH_will_uplift said:

Pay attention to the context and find what connects everything together.

Pay attention to time and place and use that to help identify things out of order and place.

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I pretty much agree. Use the timeframes stated in the text to fit a timeline framework. And....

The main characters in Revelation are God, Jesus, Satan, the Beast, angels, and man.

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Track the main villain on the timeline... specifically the individual who goes through a series of roles from first being the little horn to end-up being the beast, his final role.

There are seven ( 7 ) main characters in The Revelation, they are:

1. The 1st Horseman ( also Michael, The Incarnate Angel of Rev 10 )
2. The 2nd Horseman ( Gog, Leader of Magog )
3. The 3rd Horseman ( AntiChrist )
4. The 4th Horseman ( Apollyon, leader of AC's army )

5. AC's False Prophet
6. The 1st Witness ( Jewish )
7. The 2nd Witness ( Christian )

PanDeVida said:

Big Drew, you stated: "...let Scripture interpret Scripture". Big Drew Scripture cannot interpret Scripture itself. It is the Church Christ founded on Rock that compiled Scripture that interprets Scripture, and no other church.

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Do you have scripture to support that? The issue of who interprets scripture is too important to be answered without indisputable scriptural support itself.

Revealing Times said:

From the time God said In the Beginning until man was created was 13.7 Billion years though right? Or 6 time periods and we are in the 7th time period of Gods Rest as we speak.

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Wrong...don't know where you get those numbers from in scripture: God told Adam that in the day you eat of the fruit you will die: therefore 1 Day = 1,000 Years. This Day is connected to the Days of the Week and not the days of the year: that is why many ancient and modern believers have concluded that God has a 7,000 year plan. If we were in the 7th Period/Seal then time would end as Revelation tells us that the seventh angel will declare all of the mysteries of God to be revealed. We are not in the sixth period as that would indicate the millenial reign and the complete dying up of the Euphrates river: therefore we ar in the late 5th Period as the Euphrates is 80% dried up.

YHWH_will_uplift said:

Wrong...don't know where you get those numbers from in scripture: God told Adam that in the day you eat of the fruit you will die: therefore 1 Day = 1,000 Years. This Day is connected to the Days of the Week and not the days of the year: that is why many ancient and modern believers have concluded that God has a 7,000 year plan. If we were in the 7th Period/Seal then time would end as Revelation tells us that the seventh angel will declare all of the mysteries of God to be revealed. We are not in the sixth period as that would indicate the millenial reign and the complete dying up of the Euphrates river: therefore we ar in the late 5th Period as the Euphrates is 80% dried up.

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Dream on. The 1 day is as a 1000 days and vice versa is an illustration that God is not subject to time. Its obvious how old the universe is, and YOWM (Day) has about 50 meanings, one of which is a general period of time.

Question....the Universe is still EXPANDING and Stars are still forming, is God at Rest? Ponder that.

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Dream on. The 1 day is as a 1000 days and vice versa is an illustration that God is not subject to time. Its obvious how old the universe is, and YOWM (Day) has about 50 meanings, one of which is a general period of time.

Question....the Universe is still EXPANDING and Stars are still forming, is God at Rest? Ponder that.

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BOO! I gave hard evidence to prove what time period we are in: unlike the mumbo jumbo you whipped up. Genesis 1:1-2:3 contradicts your constant creation of stars and expansion of the universe as God on the 7th Day rested from all of His works which He had made: therefore God completed all the things He wanted to make and expanded our universe to the dimensions He saw fit for it to have: therefore there are no new stars being made and our universe is not expanding nor contracting.