The bodies of the Trinity?

[Anthony]

What do you believe the configuration of the Trinity is?

 

[LynneClomina]

um, none of the above???

they're all spirit, and omnipresent. Jesus had an earthly body while here, but now he has a spiritual body - they all do. the HS is in our bodies, but not only there.

 

[TheScottsMen]

None of the above. Geezz, not even close to the ones above.

 

[TheScottsMen]

All three 3 have bodies. All three make up the God Head.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

None of the above. Part of the problem is the word "God" which forces the mind to assign a level of deity to a single part of the infinite "Ain Sof" because to be Monotheistic means only one God, so who gets the title? So there is always a juggling to satisfy the accounting office of the Greco-Roman philosophical mind.
Elohim (The word used in Hebrew) is a purality in Grammar and also refers to the multiple attributes of Elohim. And "Yod Hey Vav Hey" , is the name meaning "I am what I am." The I am have (has) several attributes (10) and Messiah is one of them. Messiah was in the beginning, and is defined by Torah. Yeshua (Jesus) is the physical body of Torah. This is why Yeshua (Messiah ) is called the living Torah.

Charles the Messimaniac

 

[Trish1947]

Who was it that came and talked to Abraham about the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah? Was this not God, manifesting himself in a human body? When he started the conversation with the man "Preadventure there be ten in the city, will you distroy it if there is ten?". God apparently can manifest himself how ever He pleases. One God manifested as Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

 

[TheScottsMen]

Who was it that came and talked to Abraham about the destruction of Sodom and Gamorrah? Was this not God, manifesting himself in a human body? When he started the conversation with the man "Preadventure there be ten in the city, will you distroy it if there is ten?". God apparently can manifest himself how ever He pleases. One God manifested as Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

So one source of God who takes on three differnet forms y? Jesus is the same substance as the Holy Spirit? Holy spirit the same substance as the Father? The Father the same substance as the Son? One body 3 faces or 3 faces and 3 bodies?

 

[Trish1947]

So one source of God who takes on three differnet forms y? Jesus is the same substance as the Holy Spirit? Holy spirit the same substance as the Father? The Father the same substance as the Son? One body 3 faces or 3 faces and 3 bodies?

Jesus said "those that have seen me have seen the Father." (his spirit)
He also said, "If I go not away, the Holy Spirit cannot come,
but if I go away, I will send Him to you. Why? because the embodement
of Jesus was God, (spirit) He had to return to send the Holy Spirit to fill all believers. He gave the Spirit without measure to Him.
The day shall come when I will show you plainly of the Father.
God is a Spirit, those that worship Him, must worship Him in Spirit and
in truth.

I think its in Isaiah where God says, "Where is the body that you have prepared for me.." Prepared for who?? God was going to manifest Himself in a physical body, (Jesus).

Sorry, for not providing Scripture locations, My Bible is lying in the pew at church. LOL.
So my understanding is, One God three manifestations.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

Who walked with Adam in the garden? Who gave the Torah in the desert a burning bush? Who walked in the camp with Moshe? Who wrestled with Yaocov at the river Yabbock?

There are more than three exclusive images of Elohim. And yet none of them are the eternal boundless one, the Ain Sof. According to Jewish Mysticism, even Elohim is only a "presentation" for the benefit of Creation so that we can have a point of connection with the infinite one. The infinite one created a space, a void within himself, and then filled that with his creative light and Elohim, forming the entire material creation in that space. And running down trough all of this is Messiah of Elohim.

CIF

 

[Trish1947]

Who walked with Adam in the garden? Who gave the Torah in the desert a burning bush? Who walked in the camp with Moshe? Who wrestled with Yaocov at the river Yabbock?

This is true Charles, as I understand it, one God many manifestations for our point of refererece.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

It is interesting that those who have responded are equally divided bewteen the 4 possiblities. Others do not even agree with the possiblilities offered...
This shows that there remains great confusion in the body of Christ on this subject.
It is strange that there is so little agreement on this subject that is held by so many people to be a defining doctrine of the Christian faith!

 

[LynneClomina]

It is interesting that those who have responded are equally divided bewteen the 4 possiblities. Others do not even agree with the possiblilities offered...
This shows that there remains great confusion in the body of Christ on this subject.
It is strange that there is so little agreement on this subject that is held by so many people to be a defining doctrine of the Christian faith!

hehe, i look at the poll results - and the fact that ONLY 4 ppl have voted. but how many people didnt vote becuase the poll doesn't have the correct option??? THAT is where there IS agreement, in the non-votes!!!

 

[Gary B]

I looked at the poll and didn't vote because it's confusing and not really worded right. In the way that person is defined or not defined and type of body or not. I mean I'm a person and have a body, soul and spirit. Christians are members of the body of Christ but have different fuctions in that body.

Out of the 4, I would choose the forth one as being closest but it's still far off from understanding what the Scriptures say.

Excerpt from CARM: The doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at by looking at the whole of scripture, not in a single verse. It is the doctrine that there is only one God, not three, and that the one God exists in three persons: Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. An analogy would be time. Time is past, present, and future. But, there are not three times, only one.

This is one way to look at it. It helped me greatly to comprehend.

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinity.htm

Another is listed in the next link:

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinitylook.htm

As well as some other ways to comprehend the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 

[Anthony]

hehe, i look at the poll results - and the fact that ONLY 4 ppl have voted. but how many people didnt vote becuase the poll doesn't have the correct option??? THAT is where there IS agreement, in the non-votes!!!

hmmm

The correct option?

What would that be?

 

[Theophilus7]

Crumbs.

With the exception of GaryB's post, I haven't seen an orthodox statement about the Trinity, including the poll - the present selection of options is hopelessly inadequate!

There's a lot of modalistic, tri-theistic and monarchian ideas out their folks - be careful. It would appear, CharlesB, that the Messianic movement rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, then? But perhaps I have missunderstood your post.

 

[Anthony]

Crumbs.

With the exception of GaryB's post, I haven't seen an orthodox statement about the Trinity, including the poll - the present selection of options is hopelessly inadequate!

hmmm, hopelessly inadequate?

can you make it adequate, but adding the missing ____________?

 

[Anthony]

IExcerpt from CARM: The doctrine of the Trinity is arrived at by looking at the whole of scripture, not in a single verse. It is the doctrine that there is only one God, not three, and that the one God exists in three persons: Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. An analogy would be time. Time is past, present, and future. But, there are not three times, only one.

Do God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit all exist at the same time? Could all three have a conversation together? We know that the Father and the Son can. How about the Holy Spirit?

 

[LynneClomina]

Crumbs.

With the exception of GaryB's post, I haven't seen an orthodox statement about the Trinity, including the poll - the present selection of options is hopelessly inadequate!

There's a lot of modalistic, tri-theistic and monarchian ideas out their folks - be careful. It would appear, CharlesB, that the Messianic movement rejects the doctrine of the Trinity, then? But perhaps I have missunderstood your post.

from what i understand, the only time any Person of God was limited to bodily form was while Jesus walked the earth.... Jesus can appear in bodily form to us, sure, but hey, He's God - He could appear to us as a "one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater" if He wanted to. and He is in us, and He is all around us - omnipresent. the Holy Spirit? bodily form as a dove - but not trapped in that form - He is sometimes a flame or a wind - and He's in us, as well. so He is not limited to a body. and the Father?? no one has seen Him except the Son, right? if we have seen Him, we have seen the Father - yet the Father is everywhere - the universe is the bredth of His hand, yes? we are IN Him, so to speak... how can he have a "body" in any sense that we could comprehend????

how is the "orthodox" view different?????

 

[LynneClomina]

Do God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit all exist at the same time? Could all three have a conversation together? We know that the Father and the Son can. How about the Holy Spirit?

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.

Lu 4:1 -Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into* the wilderness,

 

[Gary B]

Do God the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit all exist at the same time? Could all three have a conversation together? We know that the Father and the Son can. How about the Holy Spirit?

Yes:

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus – Spirit of God – Father speaking (in same time frame)



Mar 1:9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Jesus – Spirit – Father speaking (in same time frame)


John the Baptist testified that He saw the Spirit and that Jesus was the Son of God:

Joh 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

So yes, they all exist at the same time.

Now can they have a conversation together. Sure why not? There is only One God! But here's some verses to support that:


I took it off CARM, why reinvent the wheel???

Let Us make man in our image​

There are several verses in the Old Testament where God speaks as a plurality. Many trinitarians quote these verses to help support the Trinity doctrine because they strongly suggest that there is more than one person in the godhead.

"Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth,” (Gen. 1:26, NASB).

"Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever," (Gen. 3:22, NASB).

“Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech,” (Gen. 11:7, NASB).

"Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!” (Isaiah 6:8, NASB)

Those opposed to the doctrine of the Trinity say that God is speaking of Himself in any "royal" sense, in a "plural of majesty." They can say this, but biblically there is never any account of a king or a ruler speaking of himself in a plural sense or in the third person. So, there is no biblical support for God using it of Himself in this way.

In regards to Gen. 1:26, those who deny the Trinity say that God when God says, "Let Us make..." He is speaking with the angels in mind. The problem with this is that angels do not create. There is absolutely no biblical evidence that angels created anything at all. We see in Isaiah 44:24, "Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, “I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone." God made all things alone. Therefore, the "us" in "Let Us make man in our image" cannot be the angels.

Furthermore, people are not created in the image of angels, but of God.

The three verses in Genesis do not prove that the Trinity is true. However, they cannot be dismissed by the assumption that God is speaking of himself in a type of third person way.

Furthermore, notice in the force verse above, Isaiah 6:8, that's God is speaking in the singular and then switches to the plural. He says, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?" This is on the unusual construction. The singular speaker refers to himself in the plural.

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/letusmake.htm



I remember the word 'infinity' would puzzle me. But I would always have in my head the thought about how numbers and space is endless.

Take a number, any number. Now go as far as you can in either direction and tell me when you reach the end....

Same with space: pick at point in space and start in any direction you want and tell me when you get to the end. If you hit any planets or stars, just go through them and continue...

Even scientists says the universe is expanding but into what...a void? That's still a space even though it's a void or vacuum.

I finally gave up and accepted that I couldn't get to the end because there is no end...Was driving me nuts...

Paul speaking:

1Co 13:9-12 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

When I see Jesus face to face, I'll ask Him about Infinity...

Although I sense that I won't have to ask, I'll just know...


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Pro 3:5,6 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.