The Big Bang Theory

Oscarr said:

That's right, but we have atheists who view these posts, and I hope the comments cause them to think a little more deeply.

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But neither the big bang nor natural processes in the universe are wrong just because we know God is their architect.

Oscarr said:

Well, the slice of the pie that represents our knowledge of life, the universe and everything is so thin we can hardly see it. 99.99999999999999999% of what can be known is right outside of our knowledge and will always be that way.

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It will certainly be outside of our knowledge if we do not research things but take them from ancient texts that were in no way to intended to teach us science or cosmology.

Funny how many people prefer it that way and make it sound like understanding science - let alone believing it - is an act of heresy.

Oscarr said:

This is because atheistic science refuses to allow any sort of divine foothold in any of its theories

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If you need a God to be a part of your theory it is not really a theory but mythology.

From definition of scientific theory

"In modern science, the term "theory" refers to scientific theories, a well-confirmed type of explanation of nature, made in a way consistent with scientific method, and fulfilling the criteria required by modern science. Such theories are described in such a way that scientific tests should be able to provide empirical support for, or empirically contradict ("falsify") it. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge,[3] in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which in formal terms is better characterized by the word hypothesis).[4] Scientific theories are distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and from scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of the way nature behaves under certain conditions."

Jonathan Walkerin said:

If you need a God to be a part of your theory it is not really a theory but mythology.

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Only if God is a myth.

We, as Christians, believe that "in Him we exist, move and have our being".

myst33 said:

We, as Christians, believe that "in Him we exist, move and have our being".

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That certainly explains the cosmos. All the scientist can quit their jobs now.

Oscarr said:

Louis Pasteur was a Christian believer. The scientists who have come up with Abiogenesis are not. This is because atheistic science refuses to allow any sort of divine foothold in any of its theories, so they come up with theory after another to try and explain the universe while completely ignoring any evidence that a divine God created it.

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Generally, scientists are not satisfied with "God did it". The point of science is not to buttress particular religious worldviews, but to explore natural causes of phenomena.

It really makes no difference whether a scientist is a Christian or not, as its irrelevant to the scientific method.

Jonathan Walkerin said:

That certainly explains the cosmos. All the scientist can quit their jobs now.

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Not sure how this applies. You are trying to be extreme, without a need.

What I am saying is that the comos will not make a good sense without knowing it has a Creator (fine tuning, quantum mechanics weirdness, anthropic principles, too many "lucky accidents" etc.)

Scientists can of course continue to look for a cancer treatment.

Oscarr said:

Find me one statement in all of the Bible that does not accurately describe cosmology in what it says about it.

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Sure.....

Astronomy
Firmament
The "firmament" is claimed to be a solid "roof" over the world.[16][17] It is described in Genesis 1:6-8 (KJV). This is obviously untrue, unless all those satellites in orbit are a hoax. Considering the views of flat earthers, someone, somewhere probably thinks this is the case (don't ask them how GPS systems work).

Many Christians believe that this Firmament is what fell from the sky and caused the entire earth to flood, with only Noah and his family surviving. Genesis 7:11 "... and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."

However, an explanation offered by inerrantists is that the description of the firmament is only what was believed to be true and not necessarily stating that it is literally true.[18] This leaves literalists with the same problem, of course, namely that if part of the Bible isn't strictly accurate, how (they feel) can you trust any of it?

Illumination
In Genesis, the Moon is referred to as a "light" (specifically, a "lesser light"). The Moon is merely a reflector of the Sun's light, and produces no visible light of its own, although it does shine in different wavelengths not perceivable to the human eye, such as infrared. Of course, when talking to tribal nomads and other desert dwellers, the concept of referring to the Moon as a light was commonplace. Additionally, the Moon was made to "rule the night", but there seems to be no explanation for why it's visible frequently throughout the daytime or not visible on some nights. This last bit seems like a strange oversight even for a pretechnological society, let alone the words of an omniscient God.

Stars
The Bible makes it clear that stars are tiny objects in the sky that will fall down when Jesus comes back:

Revelation 8:10
And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

However, other verses in the book of Revelation clearly use "stars" in a figurative sense (for example, see Rev. 9:1 and Rev. 12:3, 4), so it is possible that the writer did not intend to make a statement about literal celestial bodies in 8:10 either. Indeed, given the highly allegorical and symbolic nature of apocalyptic literature in general, any literal understanding of Revelation is generally ill-advised until taking into consideration the idea that this is supposedly divine inspiration to which laws, societies and lives are proposed to be based upon.

Planetary formation
According to the Genesis creation account, the Earth was formed before the Sun. Aside from bio-mechanical problems, this flatly contradicts the nebular hypothesis of stellar formation, in which planets form in the accretion disk created by a young star.

It should be noted, however, that when the Sun, moon, and stars are introduced in Genesis 1:16, they are said to be "made", which, in the original Hebrew language, is different from the word "create" used in Genesis 1:1. If this is the case, then it could be argued that the Sun and moon were created in 1:1 as part of the collective "heavens" (compare, for example, the summary given in Genesis 2:4), and only in Genesis 1:16 (day 4 in the creative period) are they fully visible from Earth's surface.

The creation of the sun, moon, and stars on day four is meant to be a theological point, rather than a scientific one. As other cultures worshiped the sun and moon and divined by the stars (astrology), the Hebrew authors are making the point that none of them is the source of the light, but rather merely reflectors of the light (as lamps) whose ultimate origin is in their God. The creation myth also uses poetic parallelism to narrate the story: Day 1 and Day 4 are paired (light; sun, moon, stars), Day 2 and Day 5 (seas and dry land; fish and fowl), Day 3 and Day 6 (plants of the earth; beasts of the earth and humanity). Furthermore, given the similarity of this narrative to the creation myth of the Babylonians, whose god Marduk creates the cosmos by slaying his sea-serpent mother Tiamat, the Hebrew presentation of God creating over the deep (Hebrew: "tehom") by means other than violence and declaring the creation to be "good" is a rebuke to the Babylonian myth. The abundance of literary and theological devices in the narrative make it clear that the text is not attempting to be a scientific account of the origin of the world, but a theological declaration of the goodness of the creation as against competing religious systems (Canaanite, Babylonian, etc.).

Rotation of the Earth
See the main article on this topic: Rotation of the Earth
Some fundamentalists argue that the Bible predicted the rotation of the Earth.

Instead, the Bible implies that the sun moves around the Earth, rather than the Earth rotating. Ecclesiastes 1:5 shows a geocentric world view:

“”The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

myst33 said:

What I am saying is that the comos will not make a good sense without knowing it has a Creator (fine tuning, quantum mechanics weirdness, anthropic principles, too many "lucky accidents" etc.)

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How does a belief in creator make you understand quantum mechanics any better ? Think a pastor could take a gig at teaching some Harward science on quantum mechanics ?

Jonathan Walkerin said:

How does a belief in creator make you understand quantum mechanics any better ? Think a pastor could take a gig at teaching some Harward science on quantum mechanics ?

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It makes pure materialism and macro laws to go away. There is also a scientific study showing that mind can influence matter.

Also, look up the emergent universe. Every law is woking just because some mind keeps it working.

Oscarr said:

the Bible is totally accurate.

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It demonstratedly is not scientifically accurate.

Biblical scientific errors - RationalWiki

Nor does it need to be. It is not a science book.

Einstein asked himself "if I was a God, how would I create the universe"? And this is how he came up with many of his theories.

There is logic, order, mathematics, there is a genious mind behind our universe. And today we even know that everything exists just because it is measured or observed by a mind. Science is getting so deep in discovering the creation that it returns again to God, inevitably.

Atheism or materialism is dead, today.

Oscarr said:

But God, in Job 9 doesn't say that He caused the universe to form through a big bang. It says He hung the stars in their places. He put them carefully where He wanted them to be. That's what the Bible says, It doesn't mention a big bang anywhere where the formation of the universe is mentioned.

Job 26:7 says that God hung the earth in empty space and stretched out the heavens. So the earth didn't somehow detach itself from the sun as a fiery ball. God formed it and hung it where He wanted it, exactly the right distance from the sun, and in its proper place in the solar system.

Also, He deliberately created our moon as a reflective surface to give us reflected sunlight at night. Did you know that the moon does not revolve? As it orbits the earth, the same face of the moon is pointed at the earth to ensure that the reflected sunlight always shines somewhere on the earth's surface. That looks like deliberate design and placement to me.

Another thing that is interesting. Comets. They are a merging of crushed rock and water. Where did they come from? Earth is the only planet in the solar system that contains water. There is a theory that the forces that created the great Flood that covered the whole earth, flung material mixed with water out into the solar system. The Bible says that the fountains of the great deep were opened up, causing water to gush forth like gigantic geysers, and large quantities were thrust away from the earth into space. I wonder if many of the moon's craters were formed by great lumps of ice hitting the surface at horrendous velocities? We know that the forces shifted the continents and separated them, because force of the water gushing up through the earth's surface, would have greatly disrupted the tectonic plates.

Of course, our athiest sciences wouldn't believe any of this, and there wouldn't be an surprises there!

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Bible is not a scientific book, its written from the perspective of ancient tribal men. I do not derive the cosmology from their ideas.

But they were inspired regarding the spiritual message behind all of it - there is God creating the world and keeping it working. Everything has a spiritual beginning and will have also a spiritual ending.