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The Big Bang (Hypothesis) vs. Creationism

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Plenty of storms in life no question.
 
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Uh huh.
 
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You just proposed a self defeating premise.

If God is the car manufacturer, and the person gets in a car accident, the person is to blame, not the car manufacturer.

But lest contrast God with a car manufacturer.

You are pitting human concepts against God.

Gods car would free from defects, but you are free to shop for a car elsewhere if you dont have the money (conviction).
 
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Plenty of storms in life no question.

A Christian who fears death before God has weak faith.

You have to submit to your creator to gain any benefit he is vehemently trying to get you to receive.

Submission comes with the loss of ego, or satans influence that tells the self that it is god, and can do as it pleases, so long as it feeds the self.

An atheist typically has an IQ that is above normal, I have a 170 ish something best I can remember and knew that in being intellectually superior to 99% of all humans on earth, that I was always right.

No religion, faith, observance of any kind would forfeit my understanding that the world did come from the big bang, and all life evolved from nothing.

Sadly, I was headed down the same road as Nietzsche, slipping into depression and bouts of existentialism that really brought me to a dark place.

God brought me out of that place, and has blessed me beyond words as a result.

You are just having a hard time reconciling something you cant physically touch.

But you also probably accept string theory and alternate dimensions according to science, but you cant touch that either..

You have faith in something, you just dont know what that is.


The answer has been staring at you the entire time, I hope you come to share this understanding as I have..

BTW, Jesus Christ would have told a homosexual to turn from their ways, but that he loves them no matter what.

Homosexuality is a sin, but EVERY Christian sins, and therefore are not fit to condemn a homosexual.

Homosexuals are people, not things, who deserve as much of our Christians love as the adulterer..
 
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And others are free to shop for a faith that doesn't contradict itself or choose not to believe in stories which make no sense.
 
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Yes, indeed.
 
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And others are free to shop for a faith that doesn't contradict itself or choose not to believe in stories which make no sense.

You are correct.

Its when you start identifying what faiths are accurate that it makes sense.

For example.

Buddhism is a philosophy. He wasnt a god, he was normal human being who died in his 80's.

So if you ever thought Buddhism was a religion, now you know.

Islam was created by one man, so there is no way to know if what he said is accurate because he is the only one. He promoted killing when Jesus said to love your enemies, so he contradicts Christ.

Islam was created 600 years after Christ died, and they stole a great bit of our prophecy.

From a chronological perspective, Islam is bit off of Christianity, its a pagan man made religion.


The Bible can reference history flawlessly as all the Bible was written by MANY different men during world history who all agree on who God is through his direct communication with them.
 
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Yes, indeed.

The Greatest mystery is that you are using Gods creation to explain that he doesnt exist and you dont even know it.

It doesnt matter if you believe in him or not, you believe in his creation, but he setup his creation so that you cant breach it in order to reach him scientifically, or physically for a reason..

You dont know what you are doing when you do this, the Babylonians tried this too...

80% of the intellectual atheists are alive today..
 
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But I don't believe that a God created anything, so that kind of makes it a moot point doesn't it?

And you never answered my question, how could you have a position of believing in the big bang and the universe was created from nothing and also be a YEC?
 
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I dont believe in the Big bang theory.

I used to.

You have to start your search and review what science and media has been feeding you.

For example, you think that 10 scientists with similar dating results on the age of something are correct because they are getting conclusive results.

But if the dating method is flawed then the results would be unanimous too.

You dont know objectively because you are just very smart and and assume others are smarter and have figured it out, and it works for you because it gives you answers that you can use so that you dont have to face your sin, your ego, and ultimately God.

Why did I believe in the BB once upon a time?

Because I accepted what I was told by flawed human beings..

Remember, if you were alive 40 years ago, you would have understood that the earth was 30 billion years old, as this was the common understanding back then.

Two time periods, then and now, one at 13.7 billion, and one at 30 billion.

This is how science explains things, with theories.


There is no written human history older than 5 thousand years old.

You simply need to disprove sciences RADICAL claims that are designed to pull you from God with fanciful notions, then start learning how to fill that void with God.


You cant know anything without unknowing first, this is philosophy 101..
 
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We know what we know, and some people, know what they want to know. That would be psychology 101.
 
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We know what we know, and some people, know what they want to know. That would be psychology 101.

Psychology is manmade.

So is philosophy, and science, which is a method of testing for validity, not disproving God.

Science fails by its own premises..

Nothing in this world is objective, because all matter breaks down into chaos.

You know this, I know this.

We are beyond our scope of understanding.



I personally believe that the earth is 6000 years old. There is nothing objectively showing that two men have ever dated the same material and got the same results.

You dont date rocks for their age, they are matter that has existed since the show started.

I personally think the celebrity physicists are nothing but ministers of their own faiths.

They wouldnt debate a guy like me, I can crash their logic in a philosophical conversation based on the Socratic method. I dont even need God for that.

Had I not bought the same reality you did, I would have never worked through it.

This is your reality, and I want to spend a few minutes looking at what I am showing and telling you...

How will so many Christians and others be mislead?

By media, and those who sold their souls for the riches of this world.. If you join the AC system, you are condemning your soul to death.

The eye at the top represents the people in this world that are untouchable by the lower class.. The love of money is the root of all evil, and they condition us with symbolism in front of our very eyes.


You know them by their allegiance to the all seeing eye of satan..


Novus ordo seclorum "New world Order" aka Antichrist system or Beast System





This is not the mark, but it is a symbol of allegiance to the god of this world..

This is why celebrities use it openly, its a sign of allegiance..

Mat 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.



Your reality is a front, sold to you and programmed into you from the day you are born, and you dont even know it yet..

I promise friend, in a short space of time, you are going to question everything you thought you knew..
 
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This is no longer conspiracy, the cats out of the bag.

The higher level Freemasons and Illumanitists communicated openly about 9/11 before it happened, it was the turning point..

They communicate through media.. Which they also use to put those who arent of God under a spell to promote wickedness.






 
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Listen, I do enjoy the tit for tat, Im just not sure what you are expecting to hear from me..
I don't have any expectations. I only hoped that you would respect the intent of this forum and ease up on the preaching. It does not look that way.
If you have genuine questions about coming to Christ, and how you can receive Gods grace, I can help you..
If that were to happen, you would find me in the Exploring Christianity forum, not this one.
I already asked you a tough question: Do you have anything other than untestable, unfalsifiable assertions?
Ive argued from your position my entire life, so I know what you are feeling.
Really? Just what is my position?
 
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-I accept the Big Bang.
To what point? The initial expansion occuring 13+ billion years ago? The Earth forming 4 billion years ago? The process of life first appearing shortly after the Earth had cooled sufficiently?
But with my approach, I think the Big Bang reinforces Christianity. We can learn so much about the beginning of the universe up till "before". Then to bridge that gap from what we know to what we don't know about the Big Bang comes Christianity.

A god-of-the-gaps approach then.
 
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I personally believe that the earth is 6000 years old. There is nothing objectively showing that two men have ever dated the same material and got the same results.

The Shroud of Turin was dated by three independent labs, and their results were compatible.

You know them by their allegiance to the all seeing eye of satan..

o...kay. *backs away slowly*
 
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-The Big Bang attempts to describe the formation of our universe. The expansion that took millions of years to form the galaxies and planets.
Not bad, if off by 4 orders of magnitude.
-You call it preaching, but it isn't necessarily preaching. I am using the Bible as a reference to your questions. Which is completely acceptable in any debate on creation.
I do not recall any bible references to date, only your interpretation of the bible. That is preaching. You would do better to read to me from the Sears catalog.
 
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The Shroud of Turin was dated by three independent labs, and their results were compatible.



o...kay. *backs away slowly*

You wont even see the evil pervasive in your life and may go so far to call it a show, but dont realize the implications..

You probably dont know anything about the free masons and how much they control your reality.. This isnt conspiracy anymore, it was, but it turns out to be true.

I dont pay ANY attention to the "Shroud of Turin", I have no way of knowing if its authentic or not.
 
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You can test to see if God is real, by simply praying to him and asking for him to reveal himself to you. Ill pray for him to reveal himself as well. We all can. May I have your first name? If not no biggee..

Ive brought on a few atheists this way before, but you have to understand that what I am trying to show you not only requires faith in God, but faith that I have absolutely no reason to convince you to come to God other than to experience what happened to me, which is a love based intent, I promise..

My position was like yours. I didnt believe in God, and I was positive everything I perceived as objective was and therefor was enough to convince me I was right.

But we dont know anything, we are humans who run around with a label maker and put labels on Gods creation.

We crack an atom and we are nothing but monkeys scratching our heads.

Ok, so we know what quarks are, now what? Nothing.. Everything that is broken down, results in chaos.

When you break your reality into little fragments of pieces, you are left with something that doesnt resemble the original truth.

You are trying to dissect, when you should be assimilating.
 
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An IQ of 170, and the best you can come up with is preaching conspiracy and anti-science in a philosophy forum?
 
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