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That two "implies" implies in a row, based on a scientific theory that you do not accept and experts that you do not agree with, but you want to use it for the basis of your "first cause" argument?Experts say the Big Bang implies the universe had a beginning, which implies a need for a cause outside of itself.
That two "implies" implies in a row, based on a scientific theory that you do not accept and experts that you do not agree with, but you want to use it for the basis of your "first cause" argument?
Are we clear on that?
Preacher: where did you come from?
Skeptic: Nothing
The big bang theory (no caps) is a system of ideas intended to explain the multitude of astronomical observations. Its intent (if it were to have "intent") would only be to have greater explanatory power than competing hypotheses.Just pointing out that the Big Bang does not disprove creationism
False dichotomy. The sceptic can simply reply "I don't know". He may say, "My parents", or "Canada" (or a country more appropriate to the scenario).
Are you going to use a lot of fallacies in this thread?
It would depend on what you or I would consider "life's most basic questions".If a worldview cannot answer life's most basic questions, then what good is it?
As an atheist, I would answer: I lack beliefs in deities, other than as characters in books.How would you as an atheist answer these basic questions:
Why is there something rather than nothing?
How do you explain human nature?
What happens to a person at death?
How do you determine right and wrong?
How do you know that you know?
I believe that is up for debate! If it is so supported why are there so many discrepancies?
I didn´t ask you to make up stances for me. I asked you to substantiate your claim and walk me through the logical steps required to render it logically necessary.Are you suggesting something can be its own cause? Where is the logic in that?
Before any debate begins, don't you think you should at least acknowledge the point I and several others made about a sound wave not being physically possible without the existence of matter? Your whole OP is based on this idea, several here have explained why it's wrong...and you've pretty much ignored them. What would be the point of discussing the evidence for the big bang or the "discrepancies" you believe the big bang theory has if you just ignore the points other people make?
Not mine.-I wouldn't say I am ignoring them, I have responded to most of my replies.
On what do you base that opinion? Scientifically, it may be impossible for there to be nothing.My response is that nothing is impossible.
Can you name these scientists?More and more scientists are pointing in the direction that only a creator could have caused our existence.
You just said "I believe that God spoke and things were." Why do you believe that?I believe that God spoke and things were. Every thing we are discussing is a stab at "how" God created things. The truth is, I don't know, you don't know and nobody knows "how".
So what was the point of your OP? Just trolling?The only way we will know is when we enter the pearly white gates of Heaven.
In the Beginning
God created the Heavens
And the earth.
Beginning-Time
Heavens-Space
Earth-Matter
Romans 1:20 (ESV)
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Unless you can present it in a testable, falsifiable manner, it is just something someone wrote in a book.
And, it wasn't even funny.
Did the universe prior to that have a "beginning" as we might understand it? I do not claim to know. Do you?
Would cause-and-effect as we observe it within the universe currently apply to the conditions, at the quantum level, that existed prior to the expansion/inflation of the cosmos? Experts in that field say no. Do you know different?
I;ve found that most of the time when science deniers claim there are discrepancies, it stems from them not being properly educated as to what science is and what it says. Also from listening to anti-science people like creationists.
A point in case is your claim that the Big Bang was caused by a soundwave.
So what is God and how does God make a universe?
I do not have to. Even in the absence of a naturalistic explanation for the observable cosmos, the burden of evidence is on you to establish the veracity of your claims. I will understand if you decline.-Present the Big Bang theory in a testable, falsifiable manner, and not just something wrote in a book.
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