The Bible teaches only past sins are forgiven us (not future sins).

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The Bible teaches only past sins are forgiven us (not future sins).

Believers need to confess and
forsake sin to continue to obtain forgiveness (or salvation).

Here are the verses in the Bible that teach or imply that past sins only are forgiven:

2 Peter 1:9 KJB
“But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.”

2 Peter 1:9 BLB
“For in whomever these things are not present, he is blind, being short sighted, having received forgetfulness of the purification from his former sins.”

1 John 1:9 KJB
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

Acts of the Apostles 8:22 KJB
“Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.”

Hebrews 10:26 KJB
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”

Proverbs 28:13 KJB
“He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”

Romans 6:22-23 KJB
22 “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

Romans 8:13 KJB
“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 KJB
9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”

John 3:20 KJB
“For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.”

1 John 3:15 KJB
“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.”

1 John 3:8 KJB
“He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.”

Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11 KJB
1 “But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.”

Matthew 10:33 KJB
“But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.”

Matthew 6:15 KJB
“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

Revelation 22:12-15 KJB
12 “And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”

 

[pescador]

Where is the text of this (error-filled) post?

What is the dividing line between past and future sins? Christians are under grace not under law, so there is nothing to condemn us. God has forgiven the penalty for all sin to those who accept His grace and forgiveness. If that isn't the case, 1) why did Jesus die and 2) when did God's forgiveness stop?

 

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Where is the text of this (error-filled) post?

What is the dividing line between past and future sins? Christians are under grace not under law, so there is nothing to condemn us. God has forgiven the penalty for all sin to those who accept His grace and forgiveness.

We are not under the Law of Moses. It does not mean we are not under any kind of laws whatsoever. 1 John 3:23 tells us that it is a command or law to believe in Jesus. Surely this law saves or deals with salvation. Acts of the Apostles 17:30 tells us that God commands all men to repent. Jesus essentially said repent or perish (Luke 13:3). Grace is not a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:26-29).

1) why did Jesus die

25 “...even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.” (Ephesians 5:25-27).

2) when did God's forgiveness stop?

This is a loaded question that does not exist in the Scriptures because you are implying by the question that future sin is forgiven by it. God's forgiveness is there who want to seek forgiveness with Him and who want to forsake those sins. God's grace is not a license for immorality (Jude 1:4).

The Bible warns that there would be a day when men shall have a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.

1 “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.” (2 Timothy 3:1-9).

If things are as you say, then such a passage would not exist in Scripture.
A believer can have a form of godliness and fall into a few of these sins listed above and be saved because all their future sin was paid for. But that is not what this passage implies or even says.

 

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Where is the text of this (error-filled) post?

What is the dividing line between past and future sins? Christians are under grace not under law, so there is nothing to condemn us. God has forgiven the penalty for all sin to those who accept His grace and forgiveness. If that isn't the case, 1) why did Jesus die and 2) when did God's forgiveness stop?

Please address the verses in the OP in how they are not teaching how past sin is forgiven only.
Do you have any verses the prove that future sin is forgiven us?
Why does the New Testament condemn various sins in many places if we are forgiven of future sin?

 

[plain jayne]

The Bible teaches only past sins are forgiven us (not future sins).

Believers need to confess and
forsake sin to continue to obtain forgiveness (or salvation).

Help me out with what you are saying here.

Because it SOUNDS LIKE you are saying that Christians "future sins" are calling for Jesus to be crucified over and over again. If so, what is the cut off point for past sins and future sins?

Let's take me for example. Are my future sins after age 60? age 70? Jesus didn't die for those sins?

I agree that Christians should confess their sins to God and to seek his face in true repentance when they sin. But once they are saved - it's NOT for salvation. It's for sanctification, spiritual growth, and because God asked us to.

However, no Christian can keep a running tab of each and every sin. Each and every sin cannot be confessed as we are flawed creatures.

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

Indeed, God's grace is not a licence to live in sin.

"Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?" - Romans 6:16

Before we received the Holy Spirit we were forced by our nature to sin. We couldn't do the good, like Paul says in Romans 7. Jesus' death freed us. From what? From the power of sin. With the Holy Spirit we are able to overcome sin, and that's exactly what we shall do. To keep sinning means to not be led by the Holy Spirit. But only those who are led by the Holy Spirit are children of God.
"Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God." - Romans 8:14

Here's grace explained within 12 minutes:

While grace is certainly not a licence to live in sin we'll still fail at being led by the Holy Spirit from time to time. That's why we need to confess our (future) sins and repent (= stop doing them). God is merciful and will forgive us our imperfection, but there is a serious difference between living in sin and accidentally sinning.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Where is the text of this (error-filled) post?

What is the dividing line between past and future sins? Christians are under grace not under law, so there is nothing to condemn us. God has forgiven the penalty for all sin to those who accept His grace and forgiveness. If that isn't the case, 1) why did Jesus die and 2) when did God's forgiveness stop?

What is the dividing line between past and future sins? A forgiven believer, if they sin will experience some type guilt, from the spirit with-in, will tend to try and make things right.

You are right when you said "God has forgiven the penalty for all sin to those who accept his grace and forgiveness"

Jesus died for the whole worlds sins. Gods forgiveness is direct in the moment when we as humans mess up.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Help me out with what you are saying here.

Because it SOUNDS LIKE you are saying that Christians "future sins" are calling for Jesus to be crucified over and over again. If so, what is the cut off point for past sins and future sins?

Let's take me for example. Are my future sins after age 60? age 70? Jesus didn't die for those sins?

I agree that Christians should confess their sins to God and to seek his face in true repentance when they sin. But once they are saved - it's NOT for salvation. It's for sanctification, spiritual growth, and because God asked us to.

However, no Christian can keep a running tab of each and every sin. Each and every sin cannot be confessed as we are flawed creatures.

When I read the Scriptures, I see 4 different aspects of salvation described.

#1. Provisional Atonement (not "Limited Atonement").
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
This is Jesus paying the price for the sins of the entire world so as to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it); Note: Christ's resurrection (to give us a new body not tainted by sin one day), and the ascension to the Father (after Christ telling Mary not to touch Him), and his entering the holy temple by his blood (to be our Heavenly High Priest) is also included in the Provisional Atonement, too. (For Provisional Atonement verses, see: John 1:29, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:6-8.).

#2. Justification (Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).
Justification is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Justification is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Justification will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For Justification verses, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#3. Sanctification (The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
Sanctification is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

#4. Glorification (The Future Salvation of the Truly Faithful Believer).
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
Glorification is when God takes the believer home to be with Him in His kingdom and He gives Him a new resurrected body that is not tainted by sin. This process of salvation (in being taken home) is a by product automatically for those believers who properly applied Justification and Sanctification to their lives (For Glorification verses, see: 1 Peter 5:4, 1 Peter 1:4, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Romans 13:11, Philippians 3:20-21, Hebrews 9:28).


Conclusion:

Justification, and then Sanctification is what we as believers need to be focused on. For if we are justified, and sanctified (which is only made possible by the Provisional Atonement), then we will be glorified.

 

[Lost4words]

If we sin, we have to repent to God. We cant just sin and think its all taken care of. We need to ask for forgiveness. We need to repent. The Our Father Prayer points this out "Forgive us our trespasses".

 

[plain jayne]

If we sin, we have to repent to God. We cant just sin and think its all taken care of. We need to ask for forgiveness. We need to repent. The Our Father Prayer points this out "Forgive us our trespasses".

No one has denied that.

 

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What is the dividing line between past and future sins? A forgiven believer, if they sin will experience some type guilt, from the spirit with-in, will tend to try and make things right.

You are right when you said "God has forgiven the penalty for all sin to those who accept his grace and forgiveness"

Jesus died for the whole worlds sins. Gods forgiveness is direct in the moment when we as humans mess up.

So if you believe Jesus died for the whole world's sins, then you believe in Universalism (i.e. that all will be saved)?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No one has denied that.

Yes, one is denying that when they say future sin is forgiven us. 1 John 1:9 says that if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. But other folks are saying that we are already forgiven of our future sins. I trust the Bible, and not what religious men want to be true.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Help me out with what you are saying here.

Because it SOUNDS LIKE you are saying that Christians "future sins" are calling for Jesus to be crucified over and over again. If so, what is the cut off point for past sins and future sins?

Let's take me for example. Are my future sins after age 60? age 70? Jesus didn't die for those sins?

I agree that Christians should confess their sins to God and to seek his face in true repentance when they sin. But once they are saved - it's NOT for salvation. It's for sanctification, spiritual growth, and because God asked us to.

However, no Christian can keep a running tab of each and every sin. Each and every sin cannot be confessed as we are flawed creatures.

Your reasoning is not Scripture. The issue is with your trying to deal with what the verses I posted say. 1 John 1:9 essentially says for us to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin, and yet you are saying we are already forgiven of future sin. That is a contradiction.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Help me out with what you are saying here.

Because it SOUNDS LIKE you are saying that Christians "future sins" are calling for Jesus to be crucified over and over again. If so, what is the cut off point for past sins and future sins?

What do you think about as a believer, experiencing guilt when they quench the spirit?

Is that possible, even though we are forgiven of all of sins, and we tend to mess up?

Let's take me for example. Are my future sins after age 60? age 70? Jesus didn't die for those sins?

Yes of course, Jesus Christ died for all sins.

I agree that Christians should confess their sins to God and to seek his face in true repentance when they sin. But once they are saved - it's NOT for salvation. It's for sanctification, spiritual growth, and because God asked us to.

I agree.

However, no Christian can keep a running tab of each and every sin. Each and every sin cannot be confessed as we are flawed creatures.

This is true, we all mess up sometimes, without even really knowing it sometimes I suppose?

 

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Indeed, God's grace is not a licence to live in sin.

"Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?" - Romans 6:16

Before we received the Holy Spirit we were forced by our nature to sin. We couldn't do the good, like Paul says in Romans 7. Jesus' death freed us. From what? From the power of sin. With the Holy Spirit we are able to overcome sin, and that's exactly what we shall do. To keep sinning means to not be led by the Holy Spirit. But only those who are led by the Holy Spirit are children of God.
"Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God." - Romans 8:14

Here's grace explained within 12 minutes:

While grace is certainly not a licence to live in sin we'll still fail at being led by the Holy Spirit from time to time. That's why we need to confess our (future) sins and repent (= stop doing them). God is merciful and will forgive us our imperfection, but there is a serious difference between living in sin and accidentally sinning.

I agree with the verses and the points you made. I just do not agree with Joyce Meyers.
She is a part of the false prosperity gospel movement.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Your reasoning is not Scripture. The issue is with your trying to deal with what the verses I posted say. 1 John 1:9 essentially says for us to confess sin in order to be forgiven of sin, and yet you are saying we are already forgiven of future sin. That is a contradiction.

Ill answer your questions, if you can answer mine.

Do you believe in Sola Scriptura?

 

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What do you think about as a believer, experiencing guilt when they quench the spirit?

Is that possible, even though we are forgiven of all of sins, and we tend to mess up?



Yes of course, Jesus Christ died for all sins.



I agree.



This is true, we all mess up sometimes, without even really knowing it sometimes I suppose?

So then we do not have to accept Jesus because He died for the sins of the whole world?

 

[Friedrich Rubinstein]

I agree with the verses and the points you made. I just do not agree with Joyce Meyers.
She is a part of the false prosperity gospel movement.

That's possible, though I'd appreciate if you could listen to her explanation of grace and tell me whether you agree with that part at least, because in my opinion she's right about this topic at least.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Ill answer your questions, if you can answer mine.

Do you believe in Sola Scriptura?

Yes, I actually made a Scriptural defense of Sola Scriptura here on the forums.

A Biblical Defense of Sola Scriptura!

But your understanding of the Provisional Atonement is not biblical.

Try reading again 1 John 1:7. It essentially says if we walk in the light as he is in the light the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

What is walking in the light?

1 John 2:9-11 gives us the answer using indirect words. It basically says that walking in the light is loving our brother. So if we are loving our brother (i.e. a condition) then the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. Loving your brother is not just giving them a high five and saying I love you. It is loving them as defined in Scripture.

Anyways, the point here is that the Provisional Atonement (Christ's sacrifice) is applied when we walk in the light. Walking in the light is a condition we have to meet.

 

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To all:

I would encourage everyone here to address the verses in the OP.
Stop with the questions and new challenges. Address the verses in the OP please.
That's why I created the thread, and put forth the verses.
How do you see the verses in the OP as not teaching or implying that past sin only is forgiven?