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The Bible as well as basic observation - affirm a globe Earth and planetary cosmological model

BobRyan

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1. The Bible says that God has "inscribed a circle on the face of the water at the boundary between light and dark" Job 26:10 -- That is exactly how a sphere intersects a plane. The plane of the light coming from the sun is intersected by the Earth such that there is a circle formed around the Earth at the boundary between night and day. This can be seen from space. The Bible is absolutely right.

2. The word translated "firmament" is not "iron dome" rather it means "stretched out". God stretched out the heavens. Is 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

the word circle - is

Strong's H2329 - ḥûḡ

  1. circle, circuit, compass
  2. (BDB) vault (of the heavens)

circle, sphere used of the arch or vault:
vault (something in the form of an arch)

The word "firmament" originates from the Biblical Hebrew word "raqia" (רָקִ֫יעַ), which means "extended surface" and is often translated as "the vault or arch of the sky".

"Raqia" derives from the root "rqʿ" (רָקַע), meaning "to beat or spread out thinly

In Biblical Hebrew, "raqia" (רָקִ֫יעַ) translates to "expanse" or "firmament," referring to the visible sky or vault of heaven, often translated as "heaven" in Genesis 1:6-8

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3. Most flat earth models suggest a flat nickle shaped Earth with two local objects in our atmosphere - a Sun and a moon. That idea has a great many problems.
A. All local objects moving from horizon to horizon -- appear smaller at the distant horizon, then much larger overhead and back to smaller at the opposite horizon . By contrast - very large distant objects appear to be the SAME SIZE whether at the horizon or overhead.
The Sun and Moon can be observed to have the "very large and very distant" object feature. This is irrefutable.

4. A flat Earth with the entire universe orbiting around it - would have exactly the same stars in the same position at 10 pm each night. This is not what we observe.

5. A relatively small and local sun and moon in our atmosphere could never have the sun behind the Earth casting Earth's shadow on the moon in any fashion such as we see in real life. Only the planetary model reflects the real life that we see. Which is impossible for flat Earth models.

6. The moon in the southern hemisphere appears to be upside down as compared to an observer in the northern hemisphere. That cannot happen in the case of flat plate with one moon. It can only happen with observers on a sphere-planet like Earth

 
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Pictures that show the curve of Earth over water -- great lakes.


Earth Curvature measured using Laser on a lake

9 miles would account for 6 feet of difference in a curve where every mile creates a change of 8 inches.
 
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Earth Curvature measured using Laser on a lake
The problem with using the laser so close to the surface of the lake is that atmospheric refraction will also bend the light from the laser, so it won't be a true "flat" reference but will result in an apparently less curved surfce.
 
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The problem with using the laser so close to the surface of the lake is that atmospheric refraction will also bend the light from the laser, so it won't be a true "flat" reference but will result in an apparently less curved surfce.
Having a tendency to show a less curved surface means -- observing a curved surface at 9 miles that is 6 feet of difference 9x8 / 12 -- is irrefutable proof of a curved surface.. as is seen in that video. Though as you point out on some days it might be less than 6 feet due to atmospheric refraction
 
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The word translated "firmament" is not "iron dome" rather it means "stretched out". God stretched out the heavens.

What happened to the waters above the firmament ?

King James Bible
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
 
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What happened to the waters above the firmament ?

King James Bible
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Some Creationists believe that the waters above the firmament consisted of a canopy of water vapour which came down to earth when the windows of heaven were opened. Apparently that view is less prevalent now. Answers in Genesis says:

"While some creationists still support the canopy model, most creation scientists do not, nor do most major creation ministries, such as Answers in Genesis. Why has support for the canopy model eroded? There are two primary reasons. One reason is that despite much effort expended to make a physical model of the canopy viable, no such working model was ever produced. More importantly, the canopy model has some scriptural problems. For instance, Psalm 148:4 speaks of the waters above the heavens as if they still exist. Psalm 148 was almost certainly written after the flood, so why would it mention waters above the heavens if those waters are not there anymore?"

They go on to suggest that the waters above the firmament either refers to the water in the sky that produces clouds and rain, or to "a shell of water surrounding the universe."
 
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Some Creationists believe that the waters above the firmament consisted of a canopy of water vapour which came down to earth when the windows of heaven were opened. Apparently that view is less prevalent now. Answers in Genesis says:

"While some creationists still support the canopy model, most creation scientists do not, nor do most major creation ministries, such as Answers in Genesis. Why has support for the canopy model eroded? There are two primary reasons. One reason is that despite much effort expended to make a physical model of the canopy viable, no such working model was ever produced. More importantly, the canopy model has some scriptural problems. For instance, Psalm 148:4 speaks of the waters above the heavens as if they still exist. Psalm 148 was almost certainly written after the flood, so why would it mention waters above the heavens if those waters are not there anymore?"

They go on to suggest that the waters above the firmament either refers to the water in the sky that produces clouds and rain, or to "a shell of water surrounding the universe."
In other words, they have no clue what to do with the clear references to the Mesopotamian flat earth cosmology. The Psalm 148 has been in the Bible since the beginning (of our modern Bibles), it is no new discovery.
 
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In other words, they have no clue what to do with the clear references to the Mesopotamian flat earth cosmology. The Psalm 148 has been in the Bible since the beginning (of our modern Bibles), it is no new discovery.
Sorry, but Answers in Genesis does not stand for any flat earth cosmology, Mesopotamian or not. Nor do they believe that Psalm 148 is a new discovery.
 
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Sorry, but Answers in Genesis does not stand for any flat earth cosmology, Mesopotamian or not. Nor do they believe that Psalm 148 is a new discovery.
I did not claim any of that. I said that they have obviously no clue what to do with the clear biblical references to the Mesopotamian flat earth cosmology. First they invented some nonsensical canopy, then they "discovered" that it is debunked by Psalm 148. Now they guess it is either clouds or something behind our universe.

They simply have no idea how to deal with the fact that the Biblical authors used the common flat earth cosmology of their times. Because the young earth creationists' dogma is that Bible is scientifically correct in everything and that Genesis is a literal history.
 
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More importantly, the canopy model has some scriptural problems. For instance, Psalm 148:4 speaks of the waters above the heavens as if they still exist. Psalm 148 was almost certainly written after the flood, so why would it mention waters above the heavens if those waters are not there anymore?"

Why indeed ?
Did David know more than we know today ?

I reckon this is God's way of telling us that the waters are still above the firmament even today.
 
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Pictures that show the curve of Earth
Without being about the topic at all of globe earth,
recent photos from within rockets in space show very clearly the curvature of the earth, no question.

Let each person find their own. (even though most (the great majority here and on earth) are entirely in error; let it be by their own unbelief and/or lack of faith and /or lack of seeking truth)
 
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