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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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I'm wondering why a Pantheist has a Christian faith icon. The distinction between God the Creator and the Universe he created is one of the core Christian beliefs.
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I label myself a Christian because I honor Christ as my lord and my savior, and I apply his teachings to my life.
I've seen about every type of dogma under the sun listed as a "core" belief to someone. Oh well.
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That wasn't quite what I meant by my statement I'm afraid. I meant that life and awareness has been shown to manifest itself in a VARIETY of living organisms and physical structures, from the primitive to the "evolved". Even single celled organisms will go out of their way to eat a 'balanced diet' when given the opportunity. Awareness tends to transcend the concept of "form". That's what I meant by my previous statement.
The best I could do in terms of the the universe is demonstrate that it has many of the same basic characteristics that are intrinsic to MANY different forms of life, including electromagnetic circuits numbering in the uncounted trillions in this galaxy alone, probably this solar system alone.
Hannes Alfven wrote the book on magnetohydrodynamic theory and described the universe as as a cluster of interwoven circuits, from the simplest coronal loop, to the circuits linking galaxies. These types of electrical structures are TYPICAL in living organisms that form 'naturally" on Earth.
I've also suggested some proposed experiments that might help validate such an idea. Without actually DOING them however, it's not likely I can provide you with the physical evidence you're looking for.
The key points to keep in mind here is that even *IF* the evidence can't be produced to your liking at the moment, there's nothing to prevent it from occurring in controlled experimentation in the future, right here on Earth. That's head and shoulders better than you could ever hope to get from Guthanity and inflation. Inflation was a 'fad' in time according to current theory and it no longer exists in nature according to current theory. It's like a dead deistic religion in that sense.
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I label myself a Christian because I honor Christ as my lord and my savior, and I apply his teachings to my life.
I've seen about every type of dogma under the sun listed as a "core" belief to someone. Oh well.
On this forum, you're not allowed to use a "Christian" icon unless you accept the Nicene Creed, which includes the statement that the Universe is created.
There's an "Other Church Unorthodox" (candle) icon for those who don't accept the Nicene Creed.
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My hand is "created". It's still a part of me, albeit not the most important part.
Which line did you take exception to exactly?
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See what I mean? Everyone loves to play the 'true Scotsman' game.
Like I said to you before, we'll all eventually answer to Christ for the way we've lived our lives, and how we've treated others on Earth, but it's only HIS opinion that matters, and it's the only opinion that should matter to you too.
Those that feel the need to 'judge others' harshly are just setting themselves up for a big fall. I personally take Jesus at his word in Matthew 7, and I take his advice quite seriously.
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See what I mean? Everyone loves to play the 'true Scotsman' game.
Like I said to you before, we'll all eventually answer to Christ for the way we've lived our lives, and how we've treated others on Earth, but it's only HIS opinion that matters, and it's the only opinion that should matter to you too.
Those that feel the need to 'judge others' harshly are just setting themselves up for a big fall. I personally take Jesus at his word in Matthew 7, and I take his advice quite seriously.
Agreed! But, to be honest, I DO react rather strongly to fundamentalism. I am not very tolerant of that. And to be frank, I am not sure anyone should be. Not that fundies should be bullied, but fundamentalism is something I consider a real danger to society.
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I think we all find it difficult to be tolerant of ideas that we personally disagree with, particularly ideas that we strongly believe to be false. That's what makes "loving our enemies" so darn challenging at times.
I think it's only logical to think in term of 'disliking an idea' so long as I can disconnect the idea in debate from the INDIVIDUAL that currently espouses the idea that I dislike. It's 'ok' in debate to bully or pick on an IDEA, but it is not acceptable to bully the individual. The later action tends to actually be counter productive in my experience in fact. It only tends to cause the individual to become more entrenched in their position in my experience.
Love, patience and understanding are probably our best weapons against ignorance.
It keeps the debate on track and it keeps the emotional fallout at a minimum.
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