The Benefits System

[lismore]

Hello

Do you think the benefits system is a little unfair?

A person could work for years, be made redundant and not be eligible for benefits because they saved up a little while they were working.

On the other hand I know someone who has never worked, never will, doesn't need to or want to, lives on benefits, feigns illness and is proud of it.

There are some genuine people on benefits and some misusing the system.

Is the system fit for purpose?

 

[savedbygrace05]

Hello

Do you think the benefits system is a little unfair?

A person could work for years, be made redundant and not be eligible for benefits because they saved up a little while they were working.

On the other hand I know someone who has never worked, never will, doesn't need to or want to, lives on benefits, feigns illness and is proud of it.

There are some genuine people on benefits and some misusing the system.

Is the system fit for purpose?

It is called democracy and it stinks :o

 

[Robban]

Hello

Do you think the benefits system is a little unfair?

A person could work for years, be made redundant and not be eligible for benefits because they saved up a little while they were working.

On the other hand I know someone who has never worked, never will, doesn't need to or want to, lives on benefits, feigns illness and is proud of it.

There are some genuine people on benefits and some misusing the system.

Is the system fit for purpose?

Just as well the Heavenly bank is open 24/7, no one can touch what you have there.

 

[Bish bash bosh]

Hello

Do you think the benefits system is a little unfair?

A person could work for years, be made redundant and not be eligible for benefits because they saved up a little while they were working.

On the other hand I know someone who has never worked, never will, doesn't need to or want to, lives on benefits, feigns illness and is proud of it.

There are some genuine people on benefits and some misusing the system.

Is the system fit for purpose?

I thought `you guys` were all for helping others, turning the other cheek etc?

Bish

 

[savedbygrace05]

I thought `you guys` were all for helping others, turning the other cheek etc?

Bish

I think that you are making a reference to the following, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well." (Matt 5: 38 - 40)

If so it bears no relevance to the point that is being made in the OP. Christianity is not only about helping others, it is also about justice, truth and fairness. Lismore has made a valid point and is asking what every one of us should be asking in these days of austerity.

 

[Bish bash bosh]

austerity.

There is another way.

Bish

 

[savedbygrace05]

There is another way.

Bish

Pray tell ;-)

 

[Genersis]

It has it's flaws. some of which could probably be handled better.
I admit i know little of how the system actually works.

I'd rather have it, and there be a minority that abuses it, and a minority that misses out.
Than not have it at all.
We just need to minimise those minorities.

Seems like more conservative media outlets...or The Sun at least; seems to be out to make people hate our welfare system and NHS.
It almost seems like they're trying to make people think it's not worth having.

 

[Bish bash bosh]

Pray tell ;-)

Look to France in the coming months years. Hollande will not cut jobs, services in some feeble attempt to pull finances together.

There is another way and Cameron and co will soon , very soon, be forced to admit it.


Bish

 

[lismore]

I'd rather have it, and there be a minority that abuses it, and a minority that misses out.
Than not have it at all.
We just need to minimise those minorities.

That seems like an interesting point!

 

[lismore]

I thought `you guys` were all for helping others, turning the other cheek etc?

Bish

1) A worker who is made unemployed then refused benefits because of their pension contributions or savings- not fair, they have worked and paid and should be entitled.

2) Benefits should not be a temptation for the able bodied not to be gainfully employed. I know someone able bodied but not working because the system is willing to keep them in idleness.


2 Thessalonians 3:10
“The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

 

[Bish bash bosh]

2 Thessalonians 3:10
“The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.”

Work must pay though.

Bish

 

[Hexa]

The benifits system is one of my subjects, I've been on benifits before, but I still think its wrong in so, so many places. Part of the problem is, is that people think they are entitled to benifits, when in reality they are not. The people are just lucky that they were born in a country with a benifits system such as ours.

 

[Bish bash bosh]

The benifits system is one of my subjects, I've been on benifits before, but I still think its wrong in so, so many places. Part of the problem is, is that people think they are entitled to benifits, when in reality they are not. The people are just lucky that they were born in a country with a benifits system such as ours.

Of course people are entitled to benefits, as we are entitled to free medical treatment. The welfare state is part of our society, why would anybody suggest that because it exists we are `lucky`.

Bish

 

[lismore]

Of course people are entitled to benefits, as we are entitled to free medical treatment. The welfare state is part of our society, why would anybody suggest that because it exists we are `lucky`.

Bish

Maybe it would be fairer if people were entitled to what they had paid in.........

 

[lismore]

Work must pay though.

Bish

Definitely. I am a strong believer in trade unions because I have seen in an elderly relatives work life how an unscrupulous employer can exploit his workers.............

 

[Hexa]

Of course people are entitled to benefits, as we are entitled to free medical treatment. The welfare state is part of our society, why would anybody suggest that because it exists we are `lucky`.

Bish

Why should anybody be entitled to bnifits, free medical care or milk vouchers? We've developed into a society who expects everything, expects to eat three meals a days, expect the latest gadgets, think that their entitled to train travel across the country and deserve rights at work. In reality, we deserve nothing, and should be glad that we get the support we get whether it be beniftis, workers rights or what ever.

Theres plenty of countries across the world who get none of this, and, although I'm no historian, i'm sure you wouldn't have to dive too far into the history of Great Briatin to realise that not so long ago here you wouldn't get the support we get now.

 

[Genersis]

Maybe it would be fairer if people were entitled to what they had paid in.........

I thought the point was it was a safety net that saves you from becoming homeless or starving to death by reviving money from that which has been deducted from peoples taxes.

That most people actually couldn't afford their health care or sustain a basic standard of living for any meaningful period of time while unemployed just with what they paid in.
And that it's the taxes on the richer people that normally make up for the short comings of what the average income individuals paid in while employed.

Maybe i just have no idea how it works...

 

[Bish bash bosh]

Why should anybody be entitled to bnifits, free medical care or milk vouchers? We've developed into a society who expects everything, expects to eat three meals a days, expect the latest gadgets, think that their entitled to train travel across the country and deserve rights at work. In reality, we deserve nothing, and should be glad that we get the support we get whether it be beniftis, workers rights or what ever.

Theres plenty of countries across the world who get none of this, and, although I'm no historian, i'm sure you wouldn't have to dive too far into the history of Great Briatin to realise that not so long ago here you wouldn't get the support we get now.

Simply because that is what our forefathers strived for.

I'm sure there are `PLENTY of countries across the world who get none of this`...

What a irrational argument, because others don't receive it therefore we shouldn't either.

Progression is a healthy concept.

Bish

 

[Bish bash bosh]

Maybe it would be fairer if people were entitled to what they had paid in.........

By that mindset then, the infirm, people with mental health problems, disabilities etc who have paid in little should get little back?

For someone who claims to believe in trade-unionism to share such an anti-socialist attitude.

Bish