The beginning...as written

[1whirlwind]

I don't think he was seeing the past. That assumption is embedded in gap theology. I think Jeremiah was seeing the future. But, of course, when he is writing, he has already seen the vision, so he reports what he saw.

That there was a previous age isn't a theory. It is written. God was speaking about the past, the time when the "heavens were of old" in Jeremiah when He said, "I beheld."

11 Peter 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
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That wasn't the flood of Noah for his flood was written of in [2 Peter 2:5].

It did happen as he foresaw it, for the people of Jerusalem and Judea, which is the focus of the prophecy.

The earth became void and without form when they were taken captive?

No, it isn't. There is no indication in the geological record of the sort of destruction envisioned in gap theology. Still less of a recent "reconstruction".

Were the plates one land mass at one time? Is the earth a few degrees off it's axis? Were the dinosaurs destroyed? Was the earth encased in ice? Is there evidence of a world-wide flood (and I don't mean the flood of Noah?) I just looked for an old file I had but couldn't locate it yet. It was a report printed a few years ago describing evidence of a catastrophic flood that separated England from Europe...in one day. If Atlantis is true then perhaps that happened at the same time.

Today, as shown on some recent television programs, there have been ancient cities discovered. Cities! As I said previously, they are dated well before the time scientist place cave men dragging their knuckles and pulling their women around by the hair.

Why would God's actual action mean his description of his action is not poetry? What makes you think real events cannot be described in a poem?

They can be. I don't see that here.


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[gluadys]

The earth became void and without form when they were taken captive?

Yes, as far as they were concerned.

Were the plates one land mass at one time?

Not just one time: several times---but all well before any human existence, much less civlization of any sort. The most recent supercontinent formation, Pangea, began rifting apart in the middle Jurassic--the heyday of the dinosaurs--and was completely broken up by the early Cenozoic. Effectively the continents have had their current formation since well before any evidence of any human existence, including the ancient civilizations featured in your TV programs.

Was the earth encased in ice?

Not in the last 600 million years. This was about the time of the first appearance of animals in the fossil record.

Ediacara biota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The ice ages of the Pleistocene did not encase the earth.

Is there evidence of a world-wide flood (and I don't mean the flood of Noah?)

No. Not at any time.

They can be. I don't see that [poetry] here. .

People who read it in Hebrew do.

 

[1whirlwind]

Yes, as far as they were concerned.

As....

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.....
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Is as....

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep
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And we have always understood Genesis to mean...the whole wide world...then wouldn't the same phrase mean the same thing as it was from the same Author speaking to the same people?

Not just one time: several times---but all well before any human existence, much less civlization of any sort. The most recent supercontinent formation, Pangea, began rifting apart in the middle Jurassic--the heyday of the dinosaurs--and was completely broken up by the early Cenozoic. Effectively the continents have had their current formation since well before any evidence of any human existence, including the ancient civilizations featured in your TV programs.

There is a cave drawing depicting a man riding a dinosaur, a Brontosaurus I believe. There are also human footprints beside those of a dinosaur.

www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm​

There are no human fossils dating to those periods as there were no flesh humans but....we were here. The point about the ancient cities is that they were here and inhabited long before man was said to be here.

Not in the last 600 million years. This was about the time of the first appearance of animals in the fossil record.

Ediacara biota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The ice ages of the Pleistocene did not encase the earth.

No. Not at any time.

I'll have to let you work evidence of a world-wide flood out with others. I have heard other reports and more importantly....I see it written.

People who read it in Hebrew do.

How wonderful for you to have that gift. I've often wondered if Hebrew is the pure language....

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
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You didn't comment on "the world that then was" nor did you reply to the questions I asked both you and Assyrian. Please reply for I would love to have your thoughts.


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[1whirlwind]

There is another question I would like folks to consider. If there wasn't a previous age then...when did Satan rebel for he was already the subtil beast when he seduced Eve?


Genesis 3:1-6 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.


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[Faith.Man]

Four or five years ago, when I was beginning to search, beginning to awaken, I heard a program on television discussing this. It answered so many questions I have had since I was a child that I was enthralled. Then I began to seriously study. It is all there.

The first problem here is sin. You do not recognize sin before the Law. Yet we know, men, women and angels were judged before the Law. Consider the chaotic state of Earth before the first judgment. God judged creation and we have the condition described in Genesis 1:2. If there was no sin, God would not have judged creation so harshly, right? The Law is a written record. But the Law is also written on our hearts. Lucifer and creation were judged by the Law written in their hearts. We did not exist in any form in this first creation, spirit/soul or otherwise. So we escaped this first judgment.

The second problem is death. We know from the fossil record that death existed in this earlier age. Did death come from God or Satan? Did Satan corrupt this initial creation with his vanity, when he thought himself to be equal to God? Was physical death always a part of creation as a means of replenishing the Earth? The death spoken of in Genesis is spiritual, not physical, since Adam and Eve did not physically die as soon as they ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.