The Beatles

[nadroj1985]

Wow, how wrong can a person be? Harrison was one of the greatest guitarists of all time. His contribution to music is immeasurable. McCartney is a great bassist, and Lennon was certainly competent at guitar, bass, and piano. Ringo wasn't exceptional, but a drummer certainly isn't pivotal in a band's qualifications.

There is no way Harrison is in the same building as Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Sterling Morrison, Lou Reed, Eric Clapton, etc. etc. etc. And for Ringo, no a good rock band doesn't necessarily need a great drummer. But the so-called "greatest" band of all time should be exceptional at every position.

 

[brettnolan]

I don't remember where I saw or heard it, but I'm pretty sure guys like Eric Clapton, Chet Akins, and Lou Reed ALL gave Harrison great complements on his guitar work and even cited him as influential. I do know that he and Clapton were good buds.

 

[brettnolan]

I saw the band Aerosmith mentioned. Listing them as a great band or implying they are better than the Beatles is asinine! Aerosmith certifiably stinks! There are no arguments, or debates on this. For, it is a fact not an opinion!

Maybe you should have read more than just the word Aerosmith.

 

[nadroj1985]

I don't remember where I saw or heard it, but I'm pretty sure guys like Eric Clapton, Chet Akins, and Lou Reed ALL gave Harrison great complements on his guitar work and even cited him as influential. I do know that he and Clapton were good buds.

Hmmm, maybe I'll check up on it. If it's true, I don't agree with them, even though some of them are musical heroes of mine (especially Lou ). I honestly don't see what was so great about him. Any suggestions of songs that prove his greatness?

 

[blackwasp]

And I have yet to find any of them as consistently good songwriters (esp. Harrison, and thank goodness you didn't mention Starr, "Yellow Submarine" is one of the worst songs ever ). Also, none of them were good instrumentalists. Harrison could not possibly compare to great guitarists of the day.

What great guitarist could Harrison not compare to in 1963? Why is Harrison a poor songwriter? "My Sweet Lord" is an absolutely beautiful song! Most great musicians consider Paul and John to be two of the best songwriters of all time.

 

[blackwasp]

There is no way Harrison is in the same building as Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Sterling Morrison, Lou Reed, Eric Clapton, etc. etc. etc. And for Ringo, no a good rock band doesn't necessarily need a great drummer. But the so-called "greatest" band of all time should be exceptional at every position.

You don't think Harrison influenced Hendrix at all?

Why would the greatest band of all time have to be exceptional at every position? The finished product is what matters -- not individual parts.

 

[nadroj1985]

You don't think Harrison influenced Hendrix at all?

No. I doubt very seriously that Hendrix's true genius at guitar was influenced by anyone.

Why would the greatest band of all time have to be exceptional at every position? The finished product is what matters -- not individual parts.

Yeah I guess I kinda agree with you on this one.....so you got me on that

 

[nadroj1985]

What great guitarist could Harrison not compare to in 1963? Why is Harrison a poor songwriter? "My Sweet Lord" is an absolutely beautiful song! Most great musicians consider Paul and John to be two of the best songwriters of all time.

I don't understand why most great musicians think that. I honestly don't. Why don't you give me some Beatles songs that you think are particularly good? Oh and remember I said "consistent." The Beatles did write some good ones (Happiness is a Warm Gun, I Want You (She's So Heavy), and Michelle come to mind) but there were certainly a lot of misses (Yellow Submarine ( ), Dr. Robert, and Drive My Car).

 

[blackwasp]

Songs I think are very good: Let it Be, Here Comes the Sun, Come Together, Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da, The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, Blackbird, Rocky Raccoon, Julia, Birthday, Helter Skelter, Revolution 9, A Day in the Life, Good Morning Good Morning, Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, Taxman, Eleanor Rigby, Yesterday, Ticket to Ride, Help!, Eight Days a Week, A Hard Day's Night, Can't Buy Me Love, Strawberry Fields Forever, Penny Lane, I Am the Walrus, Hello Goodbye, Hey Jude, Revolution, and so forth.

I believe that Clapton played on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps".

 

[blackwasp]

Name another artist who has as many good songs.

 

[blackwasp]

No. I doubt very seriously that Hendrix's true genius at guitar was influenced by anyone.

That doesn't make any sense. How can a musician not have any influences? I'm pretty sure that Hendrix had a lot of respect for Harrison.

 

[nadroj1985]

Name another artist who has as many good songs.

You're question only works if we both accept that those are all good songs. I can name ten bands that have that many songs that I think are better than the songs you listed.

 

[nadroj1985]

That doesn't make any sense. How can a musician not have any influences? I'm pretty sure that Hendrix had a lot of respect for Harrison.

Hendrix had some influences. I'm saying his genius at guitar had no influences. He really went off in left field and did something no one else had ever or has ever done. The reason he is unanimously thought of as the best guitarist ever is because he transcended "influences."

 

[blackwasp]

Hendrix had some influences. I'm saying his genius at guitar had no influences. He really went off in left field and did something no one else had ever or has ever done. The reason he is unanimously thought of as the best guitarist ever is because he transcended "influences."

Who says that Hendrix is the greatest guitarist ever? There is no way you can claim that is the general consensus. Hendrix was incredible, and he played with a lot of feel, however, he pretty much stuck to established blues. I think there are other guitarists who are better, particularly Randy Rhoads. Don't believe me -- listen to the guitar work on Ozzy's Diary of a Madman album. Also, many others would contend that Jimmy Page is better.

The idea that the Beatles were the greatest band of all time is much more accepted than Hendrix being the greatest guitarist.

 

[blackwasp]

You're question only works if we both accept that those are all good songs. I can name ten bands that have that many songs that I think are better than the songs you listed.

However, they are generally considered great songs by a high percentage of the population. Plus, many of those songs contained groundbreaking elements. I believe that Lennon was the first to record feedback...you'll have to check up on that though, can't gurantee it. However, the Beatles experimented with a variety of instruments that had not been mixed in with rock before.

 

[nadroj1985]

Who says that Hendrix is the greatest guitarist ever? There is no way you can claim that is the general consensus. Hendrix was incredible, and he played with a lot of feel, however, he pretty much stuck to established blues. I think there are other guitarists who are better, particularly Randy Rhoads. Don't believe me -- listen to the guitar work on Ozzy's Diary of a Madman album. Also, many others would contend that Jimmy Page is better.

The idea that the Beatles were the greatest band of all time is much more accepted than Hendrix being the greatest guitarist.

I've gotta disagree with you here. I can't claim that it is the general consensus that Hendrix is the greatest, no, but from what I have seen, he is certainly mentioned most as the greatest. And from what I've heard, nobody comes close. He used blues, certainly (as did every other classic rock band practically) but he used it as a basis for his improvisation; the guy ventured into free-jazz and avant-garde territory at times. I'll grant you that I haven't heard much Randy Rhoades, but I find it hard to believe he brought the complete revolution in guitar that Hendrix did. I will check it out though. Jimmy Page is a great rhythm guitarist and soloist as well, but still is not in the same building as Hendrix IMHO.

 

[nadroj1985]

To quote one of my favorite rock critics, Pierro Scaruffi....

"Hendrix's case as a guitarist is unique in the history of modern music: Hendrix leads the "polls" of critics worldwide, even among jazz critics. Such a unanimity does not exist for singers or drummers or keyboardists.
His legacy as a guitarist is comparable to Beethoven's legacy as a symphonist."

 

[nadroj1985]

However, they are generally considered great songs by a high percentage of the population. Plus, many of those songs contained groundbreaking elements. I believe that Lennon was the first to record feedback...you'll have to check up on that though, can't gurantee it. However, the Beatles experimented with a variety of instruments that had not been mixed in with rock before.

Which song are you referring to that was the first to record feedback? Just wondering.........

 

[brettnolan]

You young 'uns are killin' me!

wasp - in the other thread you are a mo-ron.
nadroj - in this thread you are a mo-ron.

Now what we need is Paul & Ringo to start a Christian band with members of the Velvet Underground.

 

[nadroj1985]

You young 'uns are killin' me!

wasp - in the other thread you are a mo-ron.
nadroj - in this thread you are a mo-ron.

Now what we need is Paul & Ringo to start a Christian band with members of the Velvet Underground.

Hahahahaha that was a good one brett , I think it's a good idea, as long as we leave Ringo out

You're right though, I'm sorry. For some reason, the Beatles bring out the music snob in me. I'll work on it.....in fact, this is my last post in this thread, it is bringing out the worst in me and I just need to stop it.......see you guys later!!!