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The Beast in Revelation…is an Alien?

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@David Pratt:
I most certainly don't believe in aliens, too. False prophets and the devil and his sidekicks might use some supernatural mean and it looks as if they do in Revelation 13:13. My opinion is that the anti-Christ will use some means to trick people and none of them may be supernatural. I gotta read the book first which I plan to during this month or early July.
 
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To Strelok-0017:
I also advise you to read some of the chapters in the Book of Enoch: Chapters 7 - 10, 15, & 16. Click the link.

It answers a lot of questions you had posed about angels, evil angels, & most likely who the 200 million devils are.

Most Christians argue about the legitimacy of the book but it does answer a lot of questions of why God caused the Great Flood. The sons of men were on the brink of extinction anyway.

Also after you read 1 or both please let me know.
 
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Revelation Chapter 13

15. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.


[666]


Possible scenario: It will be combo of tech & the supernatural. This future device that people will be wearing & inserting into themselves is fusion of tech & magic.

To the wearer it is just advance tech but it will probably be enhanced by the powers Lucifer, the Beast, & Antichrist. People can have an RFID surgically placed in their body for purchases & tracking.

Perhaps this new future, device, will be sophisticated enough to have some type radio-communication device & people will just assume it's just normal.

The RFID chip, now, is just regular tech.
 
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I'm not sure about magic. All power this anti-Christ has, whoever he is, is given to him by the devil. I agree that it might be RFID or some form of such technology. It is sophisticated enough now. You gotta check your info because, I know this will sound stupid and fancy but it is the truth: RFID has more than we think it does. It's a GPS, it has debit card function, driver's licence, social security and health insurance and much more than that.

There have been some rumors circulating around that US is doing experiments with this technology, forcibly putting it into some people in Indonesia. It has been going on for a long time and on very small scale but the tape I saw was of some guy saying that this chip can kill you and even control your mind in a sense? I wouldn't wonder if it could. This mark of the beast seems to cause all people to worship the beast in the book of Revelation account. That might account for two reasons: getting the mark of the beast is obviously the ultimate sin against God because all who have it will be punished forever but there might also be another aspect to it. I'm thinking that this chip has something much more wicked about it than its physical nature. Think of it like that: a hypothetical person receives the mark and how does that make them worship the beast? It makes no sense if all that mark does is make you able to buy or sell. Money has the same function. If you reject it you can't buy anything. This is why I believe that the mark will have a spiritual effect to it.

Regarding the book of Enoch, I think you ought to avoid that one. It's not even the book of Enoch but someone else actually wrote it. Enoch lived before the flood, there is absolutely no way that anything survived the event apart from what the Bible says: Noah, his family and a bunch of animals. It may have some truth but it contradicts Scriptures on numerous accounts. I have never read it but it's not even a part of Roman Catholic Apocrypha. It might be a good historical document if it's accurate but I doubt it that it is. I'll look into it tho. Thanks.
 
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The Book of Enoch is not for all but it accounts on what the evil ex-guardian angels did to the sons of men does some to be spot on in Genesis Chapter 6.

Nevertheless, this RFID tech now some Christians believe is 666 now, I seriously doubt it.

It could be a starter for what it will be decades or centuries from now but I think this tech would be more advanced and widespread before that happens.

Those who believe, the end of the world 2012, myth might assume that is now but I strongly, adamently, believe it is not but a starter for something to come way past our lifetime.

As for the magic part I cannot find the right words but I don't believe it will be some hocus-pocus. It will be the power of 1 or all of the evil trio amplifying it.

As for the RFID now...it's "impossible". Perhaps a bizzare, future, version will do something.

No way it will control minds, otherwise it would defeat the purpose of being tested byGod. Again, just brainstorming possible scenarios.
 
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The Book of Enoch is not for all but it accounts on what the evil ex-guardian angels did to the sons of men does some to be spot on in Genesis Chapter 6.
The Book of Enoch is pseudopigraphal, i.e., not inspired by God and self-attributed to authors who did not write them. However, Jude, one of the half-brothers of Jesus to write an epistle which was inspired, credits at least part of the Book of Enoch as truthful and of value, in its account of the archangel Michael's contending with Satan over Moses' body. That doesn't mean the whole book has any value beyond that account.
 
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Well, regarding the book of Enoch, I agree that it is a good read. It's not a sin to read it at all but the problem is that you don't know how much of it is truth. It doesn't have to be inspired to be 80 percent or more truth, I admit, in which case it's not a divine authority but a historic document.

Giants come from Genesis 6. Some say that since Jesus said that the last times will be like the times of Noah means that there will be giants in the last times also. I personally don't believe that but we'll see.

RFID is an interesting device. It's not mark of the beast, probably, but it may be the technology that mark of the beast uses. Some say that it will be implemented by 2017, RFID that is, so we'll see soon. Might look like a long time but given some of the recent world affairs we have every reason to think that the end is coming soon. 30 or 40 years, doesn't matter much. :)
 
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The Book of Enoch explains the spirits of the giants are walking the earth as devils & they are suppose to return during the days of “Slaughter & Destruction. ” I “think” this is the army the 4 evil, ex-guardian, angels will be leading in the Book of Revelation. The spirits of the giants won't be back in their original form but a new body since they are described as horsemen in Revelation.


The Book of Enoch: Chapter 15

8. Now the giants, who have been born of spirit and of flesh, shall be called upon earth evil spirits, and on earth shall be their habitation. Evil spirits shall proceed from their flesh, because they were created from above; from the holy Watchers was their beginning and primary foundation. Evil spirits shall they be upon earth, and the spirits of the wicked shall they be called. The habitation of the spirits of heaven shall be in heaven; but upon earth shall be the habitation of terrestrial spirits, who are born on earth.

9. The spirits of the giants shall be like clouds, which shall oppress, corrupt, fall, content, and bruise upon earth.

10. They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall not rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.



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Jude Chapter 1

12. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds [they are] without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;


[The human body is mostly comprised of water]

[twice dead: 1st death was the physical body. 2nd death will be after the Great White Throne Judgment.]


2 Peter Chapter 2

17. These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.


Revelation Chapter 9

15. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

16. And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

[200,000,000]
 
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I believe that the spirits will return but there is not much chance that physical giants return also. Revelation is not talking about nephillim giants tho. There are no more of such and I doubt that there can be. That is just my opinion on it but honestly I see nothing in the Scriptures that supports the return of nephillim. Jesus said that the last times would be as in the times of Noah and He described it in peaceful terms: economy would be running as usually, people would be marrying, partying and what not and the destruction would come upon them like a thief in the night. Christians, obviously, are not going to be surprised because we are walking in the broad daylight of the Gospel.

I'm not sure what 4 devils are you talking about? As I said before, I haven't read the book of Revelation yet (to my shame) so forgive my ignorance on that part. Horsemen of revelation are not giants but rather spiritual powers. Contemporary Christianity has done one mistake regarding those devils, I think. We tend to ignore them often. I'm not sure if those horsemen are demons or fallen angels but they play a significant role. Once I read the book I'll be able to support my arguments better.
 
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TO STRELOK


[You gotta check your info because, I know this will sound stupid and fancy but it is the truth: RFID has more than we think it does. It's a GPS, it has debit card function, driver's licence, social security and health insurance and much more than that.]


Yes… I viewed that shocking footage online. The RIFD biometric chip soon be the normal way to unlock your home & car doors. The general public is always the last to know.


[...Think of it like that: a hypothetical person receives the mark and how does that make them worship the beast?]


…Never thought of that angle: Could accepting, the “possible”, cursed, version of that chip cause a sinner not to think clearly once it’s inserted in the body? Possibly, compelling that person to worship Lucifer? If it were enhanced by the power of devils… it could be possible. By denying it the chip becomes useless as grain of rice.


[There have been some rumors circulating around that US is doing experiments with this technology, forcibly putting it into some people in Indonesia.]


If that is true, I think it would be revealed way before the Great Tribulation. There would be a huge uproar… than acceptance. I believe at the current rate of progressional sin, from all nations, that the G.T. will start within 300 years.


[Well, regarding the book of Enoch, I agree that it is a good read. It's not a sin to read it at all but the problem is that you don't know how much of it is truth.]


Agreed. The original books of Enoch & Jasher, I believe, were destroyed during The Great Flood or perhaps shortly afterwards. It’s possible someone re-wrote & re-translated those books thousands of years ago. Than we re-translated today.

However, despite all those 'possible' translations, those books answer a lot of questions but also raise a few as well. I do a lot of intense reading in the old & new Testament. What I do not understand I’ll leave it alone until the Lord guides me to a possible answer.


[I'm not sure what 4 devils are you talking about?]

I believe it’s the evil ex-guardian angels, in the Book of Enoch, that were chained in darkness within the Earth as punishment. The Book of Revelation does Not reveal who they are. That’s fine by me. I prefer not to know their names.
 
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Perhaps. Perhaps not.

Were do giants come from in the bible?
Men of large stature. Nothing more. The Anakim were part of Canaan's tribes and were large men, large enough to frighten 10 of the 12 spies that went into the land to check it out. Nothing strange or "other-worldly" about big men. We still have big men in the world today. Look at the Zulus. Hardly any man among them under 6-10 and several at or over 7-6.
 
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Numbers Chapter 13

22. And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, [were]. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)

30. And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.

31. But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they [are] stronger than we.

32. And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, [is] a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it [are] men of a great stature.

33. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


One could argue about proper translation & metaphors... however, other nations, in their beliefs, also have noted their used be giants in comparison-size well beyond 12 feet high.
 
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Yes, the chapter about giants is interesting. I'm not going to talk too much about them because I can't form a consistent argument about their nature and origin. I know that they had something to do with fallen angels tho. People often stumble over this but there is a difference between a demon and a fallen angel. Demons are inferior to angels as they can't materialize.

We see that in Genesis 3, the devil was visible to Eve. She talked to him. We never see people talking to demons face to face. This is important because if we make a distinction between a demon and a fallen angel we can get over the myth that angels don't, that is "can't" reproduce. Jesus said that people would be like angels in heaven in the context of marriage. We can conclude two things: angels don't marry but that does not mean that fallen ones didn't have some form of intercourse with women in the pre-flood times.

Giants are no more. I don't think that a human genome could ever produce such a thing even tho there might be a possibility that some people grow to be over 300 cm tall (that's just theoretical, it was never recorded in the modern history).

Regarding this chip, you can't rely on the mass media for now. You shouldn't fully rely on the alternative media, as well, but be very discerning about what you see or hear. Time is, I argue, the best filter for the truth. That's how false prophets are found to be false. RFID is interesting but it's still in development, technology is not ready to be implemented yet and so forth. I think we should observe the seasons as Jesus said (remember the 10 virgins, 5 were ready) and you are doing a very wise job at that. Stay in the word of God, pray, keep spreading the good news and the end will not catch you by surprise.

I really don't know if the chip might have the spiritual side to it but I am quite convinced that it does. In fact I am sure that one of the biggest lies that the devil or his pawns told to people is that the aspect of spiritual to the word is, quite frankly, irrelevant. This is what causes many professing disciples of Jesus to live like the world. Maybe this seems like something that is off topic but we really need to be extremely careful. I doubt that the devil or whoever introduces the mark, will do it in a forceful manner. Look at the four horses of the apocalypse. One of them is in revelation 6:5-6, and he is carrying a pair of scales in his hands.

Revelation 6:5-6
When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand. And I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius, and do not harm the oil and wine!”

That, to me, seems to represent cheap food. Just think about it: Jesus said that the last times will be as the times of Noah. People will be marrying, partying, eating, drinking, and doing their daily business when the destruction will suddenly come upon them. I reckon that the times of Noah were prosperous. This may contradict the warning of Jesus in Luke 21:11 but think of it as this: horse comes as someone announcing prosperity to the nations if only they will bow down to him or his system or whatever. That's where mark of the beast will be introduced. People will never be tricked by war but by prosperity and security (see 1 Thessalonians 5:3 for reference).

Perilous times are coming. I doubt that the end is in 300 years. I doubt that it's in more than 50. Psalm 83 war seems to be on the horizon and what Isaiah said about Damascus in chapter 17 of the book of Isaiah. Even if it's more than 50 years away; the end; we ought to be preparing ourselves daily, keeping our lamps lit and ourselves in the word of God. We have no chance without it in this world.
 
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The Book of Enoch is pseudopigraphal, i.e., not inspired by God and self-attributed to authors who did not write them. However, Jude, one of the half-brothers of Jesus to write an epistle which was inspired, credits at least part of the Book of Enoch as truthful and of value, in its account of the archangel Michael's contending with Satan over Moses' body. That doesn't mean the whole book has any value beyond that account.

Either the entire book has value or none of it does...It can't be half true.That's picking the parts YOU don't like,throwing it out, but embracing the rest...Kinda like not taking the Creation account literally while doing the opposite with the rest of the Bible.
 
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@freezerman2000: That would be so if the text in question is inspired. Creation account, on the other hand, is literal. No conventional wisdom would supported by credible science; which is rare today; supports anything but a literal creation. That is, however, not the topic.
 
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I don't believe that the Creation account is literal, but anyway, back on topic...
there is something in Ezekiel that tells me that there is intelligent Extraterrestrial life...The Wheel with in the Wheel that descended from the sky.
I believe that there are benevolent aliens and malevolent aliens,locked in battle for supremacy.
Not all ETs are evil.
About the Chip..There have been many "marks of the Beast" over the years, but it changes with each new technology..
At one time it was a birthmark like stigmata.
Then it became a tattoo.
Then a bar code when that tech came on the scene,
credit/debit cards came next.
NOW it's the chip.
What will it be next?
There is no telling.
My point is, nobody knows, so what is the use in speculating?
 
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TO Freezer-Man:

I do believe the Books of Enoch & Jasher are legit but I do not have 100% belief in the current translation, just like the N.I.V. vs the K.J.V.
N.I.V. is accurate on most accounts but I have almost zero trust in the translation.

Vast majority of the text in the N.I.V. did not need to re-translated and re-worded. All reader had to do was buy a dictionary & encyclopedia if they didn’t understand the word.

However, if there are any issues we can return back to the KJV & even the original Hebrew & Greek texts.

Regarding the Books of Enoch & Jasher… I am “speculating” the originals were lost. Whether that’s true or not it was still translated to the current English today. I’m not a fan of “current” English translation however the I do believe it is legit. I’m just not sure which words could be off...

However their too much that recertifies the KJV for me to throw away.
 
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[Giants are no more. I don't think that a human genome could ever produce such a thing even tho there might be a possibility that some people grow to be over 300 cm tall (that's just theoretical, it was never recorded in the modern history).]


Also the human body was different that time period. More powerful then ones we have today b/c the essence of the Tree of Life was still flowing strong in humans during that time period. That is why we lived longer & were able to reproduce even by incest without being “cursed” with deformities, sterility, & death.


[Regarding this chip, you can't rely on the mass media for now.]

Absolutely. I personally do not believe The G.T. will be happening for 2 - 3 centuries. By that time, RFID will be obsolete & replaced by another revolutionary tech. The RFID Bio-metric chip now, is more like a precursor for whatever new tech will be used during that G.T. time period.


[When he opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and behold, a black horse! And its rider had a pair of scales in his hand.]


I think the 4 Horseman is just metaphor that divides time period of how the False Prophet will rise power before The G.T. starts. Not actually devils roaming on a horse. All the 4 horses symbolize the False Prophet rise to power.


[Perilous times are coming. I doubt that the end is in 300 years. ]


I have no clue either. Just making a guess since too much acceptable & promotion of sin happening all over the world for God to allow us to continue past that point.

Anything is possible with Him. It could even happen tomorrow morning but I think the world has to match up with Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, & up until Revelation Chapter 6 before the G.T. starts.

After reading/watching the news I found it doubtful that one country will not be launching a nuke at another country within 300 years. Terrifying to even think about it.
 
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