The Basic Problem With Christianity!

[Rafael]

God is like a chess computer? And the murderer analogy was bad? Well I guess he just doesn't have a fast enough processor then does he. The questions posted are so obvious, but I hear no answers. Either god is playing GI Joes with our lives, or he made a mistake. IMO

??? Which question, and what is obvious to you?
God isn't playing GI Joes. He is revealing Himself to His own creation and brings about the physical forces of the universe to show what there is that is spiritual. Without evil or darkness, there would be no contrast to the light - no perception of it. Therefore, in order to be known, He suffers the vessels of wrath fit for destruction that He made and is responsible for in giving them choice. He saw there begining and end, foreknowing their path. Your young, Remember Neo's statement? "The problem is choice". Now that is obvious. If you want to accuse God of the evil, playing GI Joes with life by giving man a choice in the begining, then you so shall as your part in fallen nature brought about by choice, bearing responsibility for it as your judgement of the only Creator of life. It's easy to judge and blame God, but those that seek and see the glory and beauty behind His plan to suffer evil long enough to see the lights shining out of the darkness that will be His family and share equally at His table do not see Him as a villain, but as the very essence of love and sustainer of all life.

Ro 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

 

[Jewish_Heart]

If God is all knowing then he not only knows what has been but also what is to be, that’s what Christians believe, right?



Ok so when God created the heavens, the earth and Man he knew that man would turn against him. He made us this way! So why did he bother with what happened in the old testament? Why bother with Moses and the Jews if he knew that they wouldn’t be able to get to heaven that way?



Jesus’ birth happened quite recently, so what happened to the souls of the people who died before Jesus was born? Is it fair that just because God had not decided to send Jesus yet that they should go to hell?



Or maybe God could have just made us naturally kind and nice to each other. No original sin, but still with the option to turn against him if we wanted. Seams a very strange thing for a god to send a imperfect creation to the earth, knowing they would mess it up, and then sending a ‘fix’ in the form of him son to fix Gods error!

The people who died have now been reincarnated

 

[Athanasian Creed]

All I must say is.....GOD IS NOT FAIR

Because if God was FAIR, we would all get what we deserve, which is eternal damnation. Praise God!! Praise God because He isn't fair!!

God bless

Ya took the words outta my mouth Chica - brava !!

God's nature is one of total holiness and total love. He loves us, not because we deserve it or because we are "worth" it - He loves because that is His nature, He loves us IN SPITE of ourselves !

Read the parable of the Prodical Son - start at Luke 15:11 but note especially verse 20 -

Luke 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

The prodical made the first move and even when he was still along way from his (F)father, his (F)father ran toward his son, wishing reconciliation with his wayward child. That is how God is with us, we make a small move towards Him and He moves heaven and earth to get to us !! Hallelujah, what a Saviour !!

We exchange our sin for His righteousness, our filthy rags for His robes of white - He endured the Cross and it's horrors and shame for me and you - God's holiness was satisfied with the all surpassing Sacrifice of His Son and His greatest demonstration of love occurred on the Cross of Calvary when the sinless One became sin, mine, yours and everyone who ever lived or will live.

"Drown in the tears of my brokenness
then my Love walks on the sea
of my sorrow
Lost in the maze of my fallenness
'til my Love is slain on a Tree
casting my shadow"
A Sigh for You, Terry Taylor & D.A., "Fearful Symmetry"

Many people stumble and fall over the supposed contradictions within the nature of God - some will see the light of Gospel of Christ and become lost in His wonderous love all the while those who are perishing spiritually will never see past the questions to the glorious answer, Jesus the Christ, God the Son of God !

God's love and mercy always triumphs over His judgement against sin if only we would make the first move toward Him.



Ray

 

[psychedelicist]

A bigger problem is this: if without Christianity, we cannot get into heaven, what about those poor people in Brazil that have never heard of christianity? Do they deserve hell because they don't know any other way? Christianity only seems to work when everyone has heard about it, its not fair to spend an eternity in hell because you never had the option of going to heaven.

 

[Faithful nonbeliever]

No, actually we weren't given a choice. Supposedly 2 people thousands of years ago were. That is not you or I. If I tell give you a choice, & you happen to pick the wrong on, should all of your descendents all through the ages suffer for it? I think not. If a god was so ridiculous to do so such a thing, then I prefer to have nothing to do with it. Not to mention that god would have known what choices are going to be made, hence it was setting us up for failure. What a kind, loving father. I refuse to answer for others mistakes. I do not have blood on my hands, no one died because of, or for me. I see things clearly, for I am without religious obstructions.

 

[Faith In God]

A bigger problem is this: if without Christianity, we cannot get into heaven, what about those poor people in Brazil that have never heard of christianity? Do they deserve hell because they don't know any other way? Christianity only seems to work when everyone has heard about it, its not fair to spend an eternity in hell because you never had the option of going to heaven.

There is a passage about how no one is without excuse. everyone has a conscience bearing witness to their actions, and God judges by actions, not by belief.

 

[revelation101]

God required you to have faith in him and follow his commandments before Christ. Abraham, Elijah, and David allong with many others went to heaven before Christ.

 

[WashedClean]

There is a passage about how no one is without excuse. everyone has a conscience bearing witness to their actions, and God judges by actions, not by belief.

Let me help you out butxifxnot. I think this is the passage you are referring to (Romans 1:18-25):

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.

The Bible also tells us that there will be people from every tribe and tongue in heaven, so that means the gospel will be preached to every nation. We don't know what God will do with people who have never heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We do know that He is both just and loving, merciful and holy. So we can trust Him to judge them perfectly.

The question is really this: you DO know the message and you HAVE heard of the Good News of Jesus Christ. You cannot stand before God and deny that you knew the truth and chose to reject His forgiveness. I understand everyone has this question, but I think it's a diversion from the real question.

God bless,

WashedClean

 

[TheMainException]

God made no error, we did. He made us kind...but Satan loves hate. It's not that we are all that mean, it's that Satan is. God even made his angels with free will...and some of them turned against God.

Those who lived before Christ had to offer sacrifices in order to be free from sin. So they did get to go to heaven if they believed. They did get into heaven. They didn't go to hell.

 

[Crispie]

God knew all these things. He allowed mankind to choose him or to rebel, knowing beforehand what they would do. But God knew this is the way it had to be, because in the end he has billions with him in heaven, worshipping him and praising him, and to God, it is all worth it, even if he had to die on the Cross in order to get it this way.

 

[Faith In God]

God made no error, we did. He made us kind...but Satan loves hate. It's not that we are all that mean, it's that Satan is. God even made his angels with free will...and some of them turned against God.

Those who lived before Christ had to offer sacrifices in order to be free from sin. So they did get to go to heaven if they believed. They did get into heaven. They didn't go to hell.

well, God could allow them to enter heaven because of Jesus' sacrifice. HE died for all sin, including past ones. those sacrifices were convenental a type of Jesus' death.
Belief in God's word, and in effect, God's Word, is credited as righteous. with belief comes actions.

 

[0be1]

The people who died have now been reincarnated

Reincarnated? How's that?

 

[0be1]

My turn... Romans 5:12-17 - Theefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned - for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from the time Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come. But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespassof the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many! Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: the judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of the righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 10:4-7 - Because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. The I said, 'Here I am - it is written about me in the scroll - I have come to do your will, O God.' " (You can also read past that to gather more on the subject.

1John 2:2 - He is the atoning sacfifice for our sins, and not only for our but for the sins of the whole world.

There are many other examples as well, but I hope my two cents has given mnay others something to think about, and I pray for all who do not know Christ as their personal Savior.

In His Peace...

 

[Faithful nonbeliever]

God made no error, we did. He made us kind...but Satan loves hate. It's not that we are all that mean, it's that Satan is. God even made his angels with free will...and some of them turned against God.

Those who lived before Christ had to offer sacrifices in order to be free from sin. So they did get to go to heaven if they believed. They did get into heaven. They didn't go to hell.

Then yes he did make a mistake. If he is omnipotent then he would be accountable, the only accountable one. God made Satan, he made the angels that betrayed him, he made all the sinners of the world, and he knew what they would do. Either he is all powerful & evil, or he is impotent. Which is it?

 

[0be1]

Then yes he did make a mistake. If he is omnipotent then he would be accountable, the only accountable one. God made Satan, he made the angels that betrayed him, he made all the sinners of the world, and he knew what they would do. Either he is all powerful & evil, or he is impotent. Which is it?

Why do you think that God's Son, Jesus Christ paid the ultimate price for ALL sins in the most sadistic, cruel, hateful, and shameful way. If that doesn't show love and accountability, I don't know what would. No letting everyone into heaven is not the answer.

I would also like to say this is a very brief explaination to prove a point. I know for those of you who are well studided and versed know what I am trying to say. I am sorry if you do not think / believe God is perfect, but we'll keep praying for you also.

In His Peace...

 

[bt_st_At]

Why do you think that God's Son, Jesus Christ paid the ultimate price for ALL sins in the most sadistic, cruel, hateful, and shameful way. If that doesn't show love and accountability, I don't know what would. No letting everyone into heaven is not the answer.

I would also like to say this is a very brief explaination to prove a point. I know for those of you who are well studided and versed know what I am trying to say. I am sorry if you do not think / believe God is perfect, but we'll keep praying for you also.

In His Peace...

What if there is no God but instead we are?...Like when we die all our souls collectively become god and we decide what we will do when we come to earth like earth is a big game to us on the otherside. and before we come to live here again we decide how we will die how we will live, poor, rich, middle-class, sad, happy, depressed. That makes sence because then God wouldn't be to blame for our lives we would be to blame,which would still make him omnipotent and there would be no hell because we told ourselves/god that we were going to kill this person to learn spiritually. Maybe the whole point of life is to have problems, have you ever noticed we have alot of them, and you just can't believe how bad they get sometimes....Interesting don't you thing...Conflicts, arguements, wars, jobs, hapiness...all decided by us before we become human....

Lets not Blame god for our problems or Satan (if their is such a thing) lets blame ourselves as responsible beings..

Blessed Be

 

[vossler]

before we come to live here again we decide how we will die how we will live, poor, rich, middle-class, sad, happy, depressed.

:o
Just think about this statement for a moment. Who, I repeat who, would decide to come back poor, sad and depressed?

 

[Faithful nonbeliever]

:o
Just think about this statement for a moment. Who, I repeat who, would decide to come back poor, sad and depressed?

Give me a break, are you telling me that if you lived for infinity you would never want to experience pain and hardship? What would be the point of joy and happiness? You would not know what you had. I know I would want to better myself. There's some interesting books by Syliva Browne about this subject, and they are just as feasible if not more than many of the popular religions.

 

[vossler]

Give me a break, are you telling me that if you lived for infinity you would never want to experience pain and hardship? What would be the point of joy and happiness? You would not know what you had. I know I would want to better myself. There's some interesting books by Syliva Browne about this subject, and they are just as feasible if not more than many of the popular religions.

Can't say that I would. Is there anyone who hasn't experienced a level of pain and hardship? I believe we all have or will so why come back as anything other than beautiful, healthy, rich, etc. If your saying you would then you are not being honest!

All of which clearly shows we only live once! Thank God for that!

 

[unjustwar]

wheres the scriptual stuff where it says Jesus emptied hell?