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The Aztecs knew about the tower of Babel

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"The Aztec nation, located in southern Mexico, claimed they had lived somewhere in northwestern Mexico or the southwestern US for over 1,000 years before migrating south sometime in the 1000s or 1100s AD. Most of our knowledge of these people comes from the Aztec sacred books, known as "codices", which were kept in their temples and which the native Aztec historians used when they wrote their chronicles. In the first half of the 1500's, the Aztec chieftain Ixtlilxochitl, wrote "Ixtlilxochitl Relaciones", a history relating the archives of his family and the ancient writings of his Aztec nation. He claims they were descendants to the Toltecs, who had passed down the following tale. In this account, Ixtlilxochitl presents the most complete and accurate account of the flood and events at Babel that have ever been found in ANY ancient civilization other than the Biblical account:

"It is found in the histories of the Toltecs that this age and first world, as they call it, lasted 1716 years; that men were destroyed by tremendous rains and lightning from the sky, and even all the land without the exception of anything, and the highest mountains, were covered up and submerged in water "caxtolmolatli" (translated to read "fifteen cubits"); and here they added other fables of how men came to multiply from the few who escaped from this destruction in a "toptlipetlocali;" that this word nearly signifies a close chest; and how, after men had multiplied, they erected a very high "zacuali", which is to-day a tower of great height, in order to take refuge in it should the second world (age) be destroyed. Presently their languages were confused, and, not being able to understand each other, they went to different parts of the earth....

The Toltecs, consisting of seven friends, with their wives, who understood the same language, came to the parts, having first passed great land and seas, having lived in caves, and having endured great hardships in order to reach this land;... they wandered 104 years through different parts of the world before they reached Hue Hue Tlapalan, which was in Ce Tecpatl, 520 years after the Flood." (IR, vol. Ix, pp. 321,322.) "

Papago Indian Story of the Tower at Babel

In 1875 and 1876, Hubert Howe Bancroft wrote a 5 volume encyclopedia on the American west, the largest collection of information on this subject, entitled "The Native Races of the Pacific States of North America". In here, he relates another of the rare instances when the remembrance of the Tower at Babel lives on in the legends of an ancient people, the Papago Indians of Arizona: "The wild Apaches, `wild from their natal hour', have a legend that `the first days of the world were happy and peaceful days;' then came a great flood from which Montezuma became then very wicked, and attempted to build a house that would reach to heaven, but the Great Spirit destroyed it with thunderbolts." (Native Races... vol. iii, p. 76.) Also in this legend mention is made of the fact that the earth was warmer in "those days" (before the flood); that all men, as well as animals shared a common tongue; and that Montezuma and his friend, the coyote were saved from drowning in a boat.

http://www.wyattnewsletters.com/babel/ybabel50.htm

The Toltec account about seven men escaping from Babel and coming to America with their wives also coincides with this:

Study suggests most Native Americans can trace DNA back to 6 women
Read more at http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=2845...yRtaSUQDDo2.99

What do you think about this? It is pretty amazing!
 

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I was skeptical as well and then I dug in and did my homework and found it was a legitimate tradition the Aztec/Toltec had passed down for generations long before they ever heard of a Bible. The differences are embellishments and we see these everywhere we see flood stories (over 200) and Babel-like stories. They are all colored by local geographical points of reference and many contain mythical elements. That however does not take away from the amazing witness they provide to Biblical accounts.

For example, Canadian researcher Dr. Arthur Custance, a Fellow of the Royal Anthropological Institute has said indisputably:

“All 200 some odd Anthropologically recognized flood accounts around the world agree on four points.”

a) In all but the Egyptian, the cause is moral, it is alleged to be a judgment on mankind,

b) Only one man is warned, and saves his family, and/or his closest friends,

c) The world was depopulated, except for a handful of people who alone re-populated the entire world,

d) and animals always play a role!

Dr. Custance says, “In extra-biblical accounts, the survivors always land on a local mountain. In the Hebrew account, the Ark lands far away from Palestine in a distant country of which the Hebrew people of the time had no firsthand knowledge. This is an unusual circumstance…this circumstance surely suggests that here in the Bible we have the genuine account“.

So among the Kolush the craft could be a giant raft in another a huge box, in the earliest Hindi accounts no animals are sacrificed and in most others birds not returning are not the sign.

There are three flood versions just from ancient China! In the legend of Fah Le, the only survivors of the world wide flood are a man and his wife and their three sons, exactly as in the Biblical account only minus the mention of the three son’s wives (although in this culture they may have been considered insignificant detail). In story of Nu-Wah (sound like Noah?), eight people built a huge boat and survived a great flood. In the Biblical account again there are exactly eight survivors. The ancient Chinese character for boat that is found in this account (one of the oldest Chinese words we have record of), is a sign that is the shape of a boat, surrounded by eight mouths. In the story of Yah Hu, Yah Hu and his friends land on top of a local mountain. In this story however, we have an additional element. Yah Hu declares that when they exited the craft, the Sun now rose and set in another direction from that which it traveled before they entered the craft (borrowed from Immanuel Veilokovsky’s, Worlds in Collision). All of these legends are very old, and go way back, long before the Chinese ever saw or heard that there even was such a thing as Christians or the Bible.

Cuneiformist Oliver Garney translated a Sumerian Tablet found by Archaeologists Spencer and Kramer that says that originally mankind had one language but the god of Wisdom confounded their speech. The Stele of Ur found by Wooley but not able to be translated until much later (dated to early 3rd millennium) speaks of one King Ur-Nammu who after the flood built a great tower. George Smith later found a clay tablet in the same site (a little farther down) that being translated said, the kings tower had offended the gods who threw down what was built and scattered the people abroad making their language strange to one another, and R. W. Williamson’s Religions and Cosmic Beliefs of Central Polynesia speaks of the Hoa peoples who claim one of the gods saw the people building this giant building to heaven so he chased them all away, broke down the building and changed their languages so they all spoke in different tongues.

How can all these peoples from all over the world have this in their history (verbal or written) and yet the modernist materialists swear it could never have been?
 
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According to Wiki, the "Ixtlilxochitl Relaciones" were written by Fernando de Alva Cortés Ixtlilxochitl in the period 1600-1608.

All his work was based on the oral traditions he knew firsthand, and some assistance from other indigenous local people.

I would be more excited if the codices were translations of works written in the pre-Spanish days.

Still. Since the Bible records the tower of Babel was built when 'everyone' lived in the same region and spoke the same language, one would expect all peoples to have some memory of the event.
 
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IF indeed a wide variety of cultures have a FLOOD story, it may indicate that there was a period of worldwide rain that was intense. And this could have come from a global disaster.

I would place LESS faith in the specific writings of the Aztecs or Apaches. The world has some sort of "fascination" with some of these cultures. But things do not become more TRUE, just because an Aztec or an Apache says so. They are human beings like us, prone to the same mistakes as us. I know the Apaches, and some of the their legends. While I respect their own right to safeguard their traditions, it doesn't make their wisdom greater than anyone else.

I doubt seriously that the Aztecs has access to the Tower of Babel. They were widely separated from everything. That may be one of their enduring strengths. Their culture was totally independent. Except as you say - many native tribes do trace back to a common lineage. But I have not seen the lineage of the Aztecs, so I could not say!
 
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I know many cultures have an Eden story and a Flood story
but I am very exited to hear that the Tower of Babel has survived in some of the pagan myths as well :)

thank you so much for sharing this my dear brother in Christ
this is one topic I wish to learn more about
 
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I appreciate your comments, sorry but I don't subscribe to the "conservative" Christian view about world history. I accept the widely held view by scientists. Therefore, according to my world view, the Aztecs do have some link to other tribes in North America. I have not done extensive research to see who is linked to who - and how. But I accept the general proposition that those tribes probably migrated from Asia across the land bridge to Alaska and then south. And after that the people diversified. I think that scientists do not necessarily link all the North American tribes in this way. And so I'm sorry, but I don't know the modern scientific view for the Aztecs.

My comments are not intended to be argumentative, and I am not giving anyone a hard time. I realize that different people have different views about this. I am probably in a small minority here ... I am a Christian and a scientist. I do not believe there is a conflict between these two things. But I do not follow the ideas from the church about Evolution or the Origins of Man.

Best Wishes to you!
 
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Gideon, this would have been only a few generations after the Flood, so all of humanity would have been living in the same area

Which we find no evidence for. During the days of ancient civilization, and before, humanity has been spread across the world, living in many continents. It makes no sense that the Aztects would know anything about the Tower of Babel Myth, with what we know about early human migration.

Think about it.......

The ancestors of the people that we would call native americans, began to migrate to the "New World" around an estimation of 12,000 years ago. This is long before the Flood myth takes place (and goes to show there was not a global flood because the natives, and also aboriginals in Australia were still kicking).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations#/media/File:Spreading_homo_sapiens_la.svg

Your not alone Gideon :D

I agree there was a time in which all modern humans.....lived together.....but that was a long long long long time ago......in a land far away......called Africa :)
 
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Which we find no evidence for. During the days of ancient civilization, and before, humanity has been spread across the world, living in many continents. It makes no sense that the Aztects would know anything about the Tower of Babel Myth, with what we know about early human migration.

Think about it.......

The ancestors of the people that we would call native americans, began to migrate to the "New World" around an estimation of 12,000 years ago. This is long before the Flood myth takes place (and goes to show there was not a global flood because the natives, and also aboriginals in Australia were still kicking).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations#/media/File:Spreading_homo_sapiens_la.svg

Your not alone Gideon :D

I agree there was a time in which all modern humans.....lived together.....but that was a long long long long time ago......in a land far away......called Africa :)

2000 years ago is long AFTER the flood period...and most modern researchers show three routes for migration the first may have been the Asiatic, but soon came the Euro (Mesopotamian genetic material in Northern and Eastern tribes such as the Iroqouis and Cherokee from long before the Vikings...and possibly a third across the ocean in boats from Africa to the coast of South America....different blends came later...also most Native American tribes also have variations of the flood story

In the past, the pedagogues insisted on their accepted Clovis-First theory so adamantly that historian Josh Clark in Were the Clovis the first Americans tells us “they jealously guarded their ideas and evidence. A "Clovis barrier" shielded by the scientists who formed a sort of "Clovis police" discounted any other theory that placed other cultures in the Americas earlier than the Clovis.” We know from testimonies that scientists and professors who saw and expressed other possibilities were immediately discredited and often removed from positions of authority and so on.

This dwarfed real education (making it indoctrination) for decades
 
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