The Attack on Christianity

[Taure]

No, I just believe the Christian agenda is th only correct one. Push away, the Bible says the world is going to get worse before it gets better, so push away....I am ready for the worse (every non-Christian view).

Everyone of course believes that their opinion is the correct one. You wouldn't believe it if you didn't.

However, only some people feel that their belief that their opinion is correct gives them the right to enforce this opinion on others.

Among these people we may count such prestigious luminaries as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot...

 

[Mercy Medical]

Everyone of course believes that their opinion is the correct one. You wouldn't believe it if you didn't.

However, only some people feel that their belief that their opinion is correct gives them the right to enforce this opinion on others.

Among these people we may count such prestigious luminaries as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot...

Meh, I don't believe that the way I live my life is necessarily the correct way for everyone else. I do believe that people should be capable of living their life as they see fit as long as it does not infringe on the same for others.

 

[jpcedotal]

Everyone of course believes that their opinion is the correct one. You wouldn't believe it if you didn't.

However, only some people feel that their belief that their opinion is correct gives them the right to enforce this opinion on others.

Among these people we may count such prestigious luminaries as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot...

I can go with ya on that to a point, but your view in its purest form is anarchy where everything is ok. Of course, this isn't your belief (I hope) but where is the line?

"Do whatever you want as long as you do not hurt someone else directly."

Is that close?

 

[Shane Roach]

I think the main issue that people have with some Christians having a say in their own government is the fact that most of the time some Christians want to force legislation on people that would require them to adhere to "Christian" standards. It's not the fact that you are Christian that gets you demonized, it's the fact that you want to force others to live by your values and your standards. That has nothing to do with your faith and everything to do with telling people how to live.

So, as I have said many times...some Christians make themselves a target for attacks because of the force they want to put on other people. If they lived by a live and let live attitude, I doubt many people would have issue with it.

Live and let live was the attitude right up until our very rights to practice freely began to be violated.

The laws you keep blaming on Christians were there because most everyone was Christian. Then, for a while, there were growing non-Christian minorities who nevertheless found Christian values more than adequate.

It was only with the advent of the socialist agenda and the "sexual revolution" that small minorities of not just non-Christian, but actively anti-Christian groups began to systematically attack everything Christian, including trying to destroy the Christian artifacts that are the heritage of our over 200 year old nation, attempting to remove by force the evidence that this is indeed a Christian nation.

Taliban like, when they blew up those ancient statues of Buddhists, anti-Christians voraciously attack Christianity wherever they find it, all the while smiling and claiming to be "moderate" even when they attack things that 60, 70, even 80% of people disagree with.

It is NOT, it is NOT, it is NOT Christians who are pushing their agenda unethically in this country. This country is not like Europe precisely because of this sort of harassment there, which drove our ancestors HERE.

There's no place left for us to run. We need to take our stand here, or understand very clearly that, as one of the other posters here has pointed out, that this could easily be the end of time, and it is our generation that is dropping the ball.

Rev 3:15-16

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm , and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
KJV

I could be mistaken, but I think we can have something to say about whether we are that generation. If we are to be harassed, let's at least make a showing for ourselves for the sake of the truth.

 

[Taure]

"Do whatever you want as long as you do not hurt someone else directly."

That would be an adequate approximation, though of course it's a generalisation, and thus will have exceptions.

For example, breaking up with my girlfriend could be said to be hurting someone else directly, but it is certainly to be allowed.

I would perhaps formulate it more like this:

Everyone has the right to do whatever they want so long as this does not infringe on someone else's right to do what they want.

Note that right =/= moral in this case.

For example, I view socialism as moral, even necessary, but I also view it as a violation of a person's rights.

 

[Shane Roach]

Everyone of course believes that their opinion is the correct one. You wouldn't believe it if you didn't.

However, only some people feel that their belief that their opinion is correct gives them the right to enforce this opinion on others.

Among these people we may count such prestigious luminaries as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot...

Atheists all, and bearing great resemblance to the push of small minorities of elites pushing gay marriage under the pretense that it is a civil right.

 

[Mercy Medical]

Atheists all, and bearing great resemblance to the push of small minorities of elites pushing gay marriage under the pretense that it is a civil right.

There's no pretense, it IS a civil right.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

It wasn't Christians who claimed it was an illness to begin with. The APA is not in charge of the word "perverse". I use it because it is the word that reflects the nature of homosexual sex. Whether it is an illness or not is irrelevant.

Definitions change. Up to the second half of the 19th century, "perversion" was an exclusively religious term, used to refer to religious deviation (such as Catholicism from the perspective of Anglicans, for example).
It has been argued that the term acquired its sexual connotations because Catholic priests were regularly depicted as lecherous villains in the so-called "Gothic novels".
*Your* specific usage of the term is both archaic and recent, dating back no further than the 1890s. And it seems that you use it to deliberately insult people whose sexuality is not in line with what your narrow-minded views consider "normal".

"Perversions are defined as unnatural acts, acts contrary to nature, bestial, abominable, and detestable. Such laws are interpretable only in accordance with the ancient tradition of the English common law which ... is committed to the doctrine that no sexual activity is justifiable unless its objective is procreation." [A.C. Kinsey, et.al., "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male," 1948]

 

[Shane Roach]

Whatever. Have a nice life.

You've done this with me repeatedly. You act as if we have a relationship to build on, then when I do not agree with you, you make it personal and begin to draw the discussion into this region where I either have to agree with you or not be friends.

It's your choice to make, but we have known where we stand with each other from the beginning. I'm not going to change my opinions just because you decide not to remain personable, and from my perspective you have, in this thread, repeatedly forgone addressing the points and made the entire issue personal.

I posted the video with the paperwork. It's right there for anyone to see. Christians are being harassed and attacked in this country on a regular basis and with growing frequency. That is the fact.

 

[b&wpac4]

You've done this with me repeatedly. You act as if we have a relationship to build on, then when I do not agree with you, you make it personal and begin to draw the discussion into this region where I either have to agree with you or not be friends.

It's your choice to make, but we have known where we stand with each other from the beginning. I'm not going to change my opinions just because you decide not to remain personable, and from my perspective you have, in this thread, repeatedly forgone addressing the points and made the entire issue personal.

I posted the video with the paperwork. It's right there for anyone to see. Christians are being harassed and attacked in this country on a regular basis and with growing frequency. That is the fact.

You make it personal. You insist I am an anti-Christian who hates Christians and all Christianity stands for. This somehow isn't personal to you, but it is to me.

 

[Shane Roach]

There's no pretense, it IS a civil right.

Months of these discussions have provided me with ample evidence that the claim is false. I posted a link to one of many studies that makes it clear homosexuality is just like any other behavior, and not special or specifically outside of anyone's control.

Do you post a scientific refutation? No. You post a one sentence denial.

 

[Taure]

all the while smiling and claiming to be "moderate" even when they attack things that 60, 70, even 80% of people disagree with.

Note that just because a certain proportion of the nation call themselves Christian does not mean that they subscribe to your specific brand of conservative Christianity.

There are many liberal and moderate Christians. More than conservative Christians, probably.

This thread is more of a political one than a religious one. The OP's points are more expressing a position of social conservatism than a religious opinion. Though of course the American south has mixed the two so much in their minds that social conservatism is more of a religion to them than Christianity - thus the religious fervour of the OP.

Jesus never advocated enforcement of his opinions on others. In fact he was very much against it.

Jesus may well have believed that homosexuality is wrong (if we assume a literalist reading). But he also believed that the decision to repent etc. is one that has to be made by an individual, not made for them by others.

It was only when the political position of social conservatism came along that the idea of legislating conservative values into law (e.g. banning gay marriage) came about.

The two combined creates a truly terrifying bigotry.

Yet we must remember that the real source of the bigotry is not Christianity, but social conservatism, which has appropriated, twisted and abused the values of Christ for its own ends.

 

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