The apologia of the cosmos. Evidence of God

[KCfromNC]

I do not need to refer to it. I will take you at your word. If I have offended you I am sorry. Accept my deepest apologies if you will.

Nice attempt to make it look like I'm being emotional in pointing out the details of your tactics here.

 

[Elioenai26]

Nice attempt to make it look like I'm being emotional in pointing out the details of your tactics here.

I just apologized that is all.

 

[bhsmte]

I do not need to refer to it. I will take you at your word. If I have offended you I am sorry. Accept my deepest apologies if you will.

Elio,

I think you probably have figured out by now, that duplicating WLC's tactics aren't going to get you where you want to be with this group. I'm sure most people have seen most of WLC's debates on youtube and understand his circular arguments and where they are full of holes.

 

[Elioenai26]

Elio,

I think you probably have figured out by now, that duplicating WLC's tactics aren't going to get you where you want to be with this group. I'm sure most people have seen most of WLC's debates on youtube and understand his circular arguments and where they are full of holes.

Where do I want to be?

 

[quatona]

Where do I want to be?

Good point!
I guess as far as I am concerned that´s the most disturbing part of having these conversations with you:
Looking at the tactics and strategies you use, I can´t manage to get any idea whatsoever where you want to be or get with this group.
Maybe you can fill us in so that we can help you better to get what you want in this group?

 

[Elioenai26]

Good point!
I guess as far as I am concerned that´s the most disturbing part of having these conversations with you:
Looking at the tactics and strategies you use, I can´t manage to get any idea whatsoever where you want to be or get with this group.
Maybe you can fill us in so that we can help you better to get what you want in this group?

I do not want anything from anyone here. I am not here to receive anything, but to serve.

I have stated this before, I am here to listen, to help, to encourage, to love, and to let skeptics know that God loves them just like He loves anyone else. I am here because I am a skeptic and was once godless. I can relate to a lot of the intellectual and emotional/psychological struggles unbelievers have. I have been called to become all things to all men. To the skeptic I can relate and talk and speak a language that he understands. I am here to correct a lot of the misconceptions that skeptics/unbelievers/atheists/non-theists have about Christianity.

For example, misconceptions like:

1. Faith and reason are mutually exclusive/opposed to one another
2. Christians are just superstitious
3. Belief in Christ is not reasonable or justifiable
4. Christians are not tolerant of other religions
5. Christianity is just one of many religions and all of them are ultimately the same.
6. Christianity and science are opposed/mutually exclusive
7. There are no intellectual Christians....etc. etc.

 

[quatona]

I do not want anything from anyone here. I am not here to receive anything, but to serve.

I have stated this before, I am here to listen, to help, to encourage, to love, and to let skeptics know that God loves them just like He loves anyone else. I am here because I am a skeptic and was once godless. I can relate to a lot of the intellectual and emotional/psychological struggles unbelievers have. I have been called to become all things to all men. To the skeptic I can relate and talk and speak a language that he understands. I am here to correct a lot of the misconceptions that skeptics/unbelievers/atheists/non-theists have about Christianity.

For example, misconceptions like:

1. Faith and reason are mutually exclusive/opposed to one another
2. Christians are just superstitious
3. Belief in Christ is not reasonable or justifiable
4. Christians are not tolerant of other religions
5. Christianity is just one of many religions and all of them are ultimately the same.
6. Christianity and science are opposed/mutually exclusive
7. There are no intellectual Christians....etc. etc.

These goals are not really reflected by your strategies and tactics. I Guess I could hell you best by ignoring all the posts that are counterproductive to your goals?

 

[Elioenai26]

These goals are not really reflected by your strategies and tactics. I Guess I could hell you best by ignoring all the posts that are counterproductive to your goals?

That will be a choice that you have to make. Whatever you choice is, I will support it.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I do not want anything from anyone here. I am not here to receive anything, but to serve.

I have stated this before, I am here to listen, to help, to encourage, to love, and to let skeptics know that God loves them just like He loves anyone else. I am here because I am a skeptic and was once godless. I can relate to a lot of the intellectual and emotional/psychological struggles unbelievers have. I have been called to become all things to all men. To the skeptic I can relate and talk and speak a language that he understands. I am here to correct a lot of the misconceptions that skeptics/unbelievers/atheists/non-theists have about Christianity.

Is that really necessary? Many atheists were formerly believers.

Do you think you can achieve those goals by spreading misconceptions about atheists?

 

[Elioenai26]

Is that really necessary? Many atheists were formerly believers.

Do you think you can achieve those goals by spreading misconceptions about atheists?

I have not spread any misconceptions about atheists. If you can refer me to a specific instance in which you tbink I have done this then please do so and I will explain what I meant.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Is that really necessary? Many atheists were formerly believers.

Do you think you can achieve those goals by spreading misconceptions about atheists?

By the calculus of Heaven (infinite bliss) and Hell (infinite suffering), anything and everything is justified if it saves a soul.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I have not spread any misconceptions about atheists. If you can refer me to a specific instance in which you tbink I have done this then please do so and I will explain what I meant.

You have repeatedly spread misconceptions about atheists. For instance, you have stated that atheism is equivalent to nihilism, and you have repeatedly insinuated to the same effect.

 

[Elioenai26]

By the calculus of Heaven (infinite bliss) and Hell (infinite suffering), anything and everything is justified if it saves a soul.

I disagree.

It is never justifiable to disobey God.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I disagree.

It is never justifiable to ever disobey God.

Even when God commands you to kill children?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I disagree.

It is never justifiable to disobey God.

What if you didn't know the order was from God?
What if you were never told "It is never justifiable to disobey God"?

Suppose a voice in your head claims to be God, and then commands you to kill your child. What do you do?

 

[HitchSlap]

I disagree.

It is never justifiable to disobey God.

Agreed. I never disobey Barney. (If I do though, he gives me a free pass)

 

[Elioenai26]

[QUOTE =Wiccan_Child;63608157]What if you didn't know the order was from God?
What if you were never told "It is never justifiable to disobey God"?

Suppose a voice in your head claims to be God, and then commands you to kill your child. What do you do?[/QUOTE]

If I did not know If the order was from God, then I would be about trying to determine if it was from God or not.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

If I did not know If the order was from God, then I would be about trying to determine if it was from God or not.

And how would you do that?

 

[HitchSlap]

[QUOTE =Wiccan_Child;63608157]What if you didn't know the order was from God?
What if you were never told "It is never justifiable to disobey God"?

Suppose a voice in your head claims to be God, and then commands you to kill your child. What do you do?

If I did not know If the order was from God, then I would be about trying to determine if it was from God or not.[/QUOTE]

I thought you had a personal relationship with the god, and could recognize his voice?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

If I did not know If the order was from God, then I would be about trying to determine if it was from God or not.

How do you determine if it's God's voice or not? What distinguishes God's voice from schizophrenia?

What if the voice said "Kill your child immediately and without delay"?