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The beast described in Revelation 17:3 coincides with the first beast of Revelation 13:1.chapter 17 clearly shows the ten horns on the second beast
You should read my book-Barry Dennis "The Saviour of All Men" Tate Publishing.books used in my research
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As shown throughout history,
constantine and those with him were a much much bigger and ongoing through today threat and caused more damage to Christianity than communism and islam together ever were or did(so far).
it takes money to build churches, schools, and hospitals -A tree is known by it's fruit. All he did was make Christianity popular and less ostracized by paganizing it. It's kind of like what Kenneth Copeland and Creflo Dollar have done with their brand of "Christianity": change it into something more palatable to the masses and watch the money come rolling in.
"What is the seven crowns upon the heads telling you?"
That these 7 kingdoms belong to the beast .... he is the angelic king of the abyss doing Satan's bidding on the earth ruling over the 7 human kingdoms and the related king positions
so money is god for some.it takes money to build churches, schools, and hospitals -
have you used them?
is that what you heard?As far as what victorinus originally posted, I must say in all my years of being a believer I have never read such a bunch of crap but hey, if thats what he wants to believe, then thats up to him.
The eighth Emperor of the whole Roman Empire was Vespasian. Between Nero and Vespasian was Galba and Othelo, they ruled a split Roman Empire. These combined, add up to the ten horns. The seven heads are the mountains that Rome was built upon.The beast described in Revelation 17:3 coincides with the first beast of Revelation 13:1.
There are two beasts in Revelation 13.
The text has the 7 heads and ten horns on the first beast.
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
The second beast had two small horns like a lamb.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
and there are seven kings per rev 17:10The eighth Emperor of the whole Roman Empire was Vespasian. Between Nero and Vespasian was Galba and Othelo, they ruled a split Roman Empire. These combined, add up to the ten horns. The seven heads are the mountains that Rome was built upon.
it takes money to build churches, schools, and hospitals -
have you used them?
I don't have any disagreement with the seven heads being the mountains that Rome was built upon.The eighth Emperor of the whole Roman Empire was Vespasian. Between Nero and Vespasian was Galba and Othelo, they ruled a split Roman Empire. These combined, add up to the ten horns. The seven heads are the mountains that Rome was built upon.
It does fit when you take into consideration that the Jewish war/revolt began in 66 A.D. and ended in 73 A.D. which is seven years(the correct amount of time for the Apocalypse). Nero killed his self by sword in 69 A.D. or 3 1/2 years or 42 months into the Jewish war/revolt. The temple was also destroyed in the year 70 A.D., or 40 years after Jesus spoke of it in Matthew 24:2.I don't have any disagreement with the seven heads being the mountains that Rome was built upon.
But regarding the heads also representing 7 kings - those kings of one family, the Julio-Claudians. Nero was the last of that family. After Nero, the next dynasty was the Flavians.
Your point of adding the three king of Galba and Othelo and Vespasian to get ten kings (the ten horns) will not fit because the ten kings don't have there crowns until Revelation 13, with 42 months to go before Jesus returns.
The 7 kings and the 10 kings are a completely separate set of kings. The 7 kings are sequential, that is, one follows the other.
The ten kings rule with the beast for one hour, which is the 42 months in Revelation 13. Those ten king are associated with the Roman Empire, but of the end times.
It will not be long until the EU goes to that 10 leader form of Government, as well as having the one leader over everyone in the EU.... a little bit before the 7 years begin..... when the person is the little horn.... not the beast in the beginning.
The seven years is not just a block of time. The confirming of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is forthcoming and is actually a requirement in the bible, in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, that Moses made it a requirement that the covenant (the law) be read to the nation of Israel, every 7 years, that the land of Israel belongs to them forever. Part of that requirement is that it is to be read from the place of God's choosing.It does fit when you take into consideration that the Jewish war/revolt began in 66 A.D. and ended in 73 A.D. which is seven years(the correct amount of time for the Apocalypse). Nero killed his self by sword in 69 A.D. or 3 1/2 years or 42 months into the Jewish war/revolt. The temple was also destroyed in the year 70 A.D., or 40 years after Jesus spoke of it in Matthew 24:2.
Babylon is a Beast System, and the End TIME one Represents the Last Beast System. Or Revived Rome.babylon the great - constantinople -
rider of the white horse - constantine -
rider of the red horse - mohammed -
rider of the black horse - marx -
the first beast - the roman empire -
the second beast - islam -
the seven heads - the seven dynasties of the roman empire -
the ten horns - the ten islamic dynasties -
the thousand years - the byzantine empire -
the three johns - john the baptist and two more johns -
the two witnesses - church and state -
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this is twenty years of research -
will discuss the results -
will present the books used -
looking forward to discussing all aspects of the apocalypse -
I chose not to use the Historicist Only tag because I want to include all in this dialogue
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
it does work if you buy into the three johns who wrote the apocalypse - it is a long story but I will get to it
The First "Beast" is the Anti-Christ.are you saying the first beast was mortally wounded with the seventh king? name the beast, that is all you have to do
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