the Antichrist

[eleos1954]

Revelation 13:18 is to identify of the name of the beast-king.

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

what is the mark of the beast (according to scripture) ... what is the number of his (beasts) name

 

[One God and Father of All]

Here is the monumental eschatology understanding problem:

Conditioned by generations, upon generations, of talk about the Antichrist....

As soon as anyone says "the Antichrist", it brings up thoughts in most people's minds of thinking of the person in a universal sense.

But not understanding that the person is in that phase of being the Antichrist only for the time of being the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah by the Jews.

So that there ends up being all sorts of theories, such as the pope/papacy being the Antichrist, or the Mahdi being the Antichrist, etc.

The image of Daniel 2 represents the 4 beasts of Daniel 7. They are one and the same.

The stone strikes the image at its feet. That is where the clay and iron is that doesn't mix together. The clay represents the people of Israel (Jer 18). And the little horn that rises from the feet is a king of Israel. Judgment will fall upon God’s people first, for rejecting Him and worshipping idols.

This will be as it was in the days of Noah when the sons of God mixed themselves with the children of men. God has called Israel His son, but they play the harlot in adultery. (Eze 16)

And are the harlot in Rev 17

 

[One God and Father of All]

what is the mark of the beast (according to scripture) ... what is the number of his (beasts) name

And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. (Rev 15:2)

4And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel weresealed:

5of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were [a]sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed. (Rev 7)

Sealed:

c. in order to mark a person or thing; hence, to set a mark upon by the impress of a seal, to stamp:

Under each head of a tribe there are 12,000 sealed on their foreheads.

The number of the name of Judah is 12,000. That is the number of his name.

All of those who are marked or sealed under the name of the beast are the number of his name.

 

[eleos1954]

And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. (Rev 15:2)

4And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty-four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel weresealed:

5of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand were [a]sealed;
of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand were sealed;
6of the tribe of Asher twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand were sealed;
7of the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Levi twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand were sealed;
8of the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand were sealed;
of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand were sealed. (Rev 7)

Sealed:

c. in order to mark a person or thing; hence, to set a mark upon by the impress of a seal, to stamp:

Under each head of a tribe there are 12,000 sealed on their foreheads.

The number of the name of Judah is 12,000. That is the number of his name.

All of those who are marked or sealed under the name of the beast are the number of his name.

Rev 15:2
And I saw what looked like a sea of glass glowing with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and its image and over the number of its name. They held harps given them by God

Yeah .... victorious over the beast and his image ....

Doesn't described what the mark of the beast and the number of his name is. What are these?

How are they marked and sealed under the name of the beast?

 

[One God and Father of All]

Rev 15:2
And I saw what looked like a sea of glass glowing with fire and, standing beside the sea, those who had been victorious over the beast and its image and over the number of its name. They held harps given them by God

Yeah .... victorious over the beast and his image ....

Doesn't described what the mark of the beast and the number of his name is. What are these?

How are they marked and sealed under the name of the beast?

The ones sealed on their foreheads is speaking of knowing the true God. It would be impressed on their mind. They wouldn’t have the seal of worshipping a false god.

 

[eleos1954]

The ones sealed on their foreheads is speaking of knowing the true God. It would be impressed on their mind. They wouldn’t have the seal of worshipping a false god.

Sorry ... but you are still not explaining what these are (unless I missed it)

Revelation 14:9 ESV / 3,403 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

 

[One God and Father of All]

Doesn't described what the mark of the beast and the number of his name is. What are these?

How are they marked and sealed under the name of the beast?

I posted what I think is the number of his name (post #23)

666 would represent the number of persons who are aligned with the beast.

 

[eleos1954]

I posted what I think is the number of his name (post #23)

666 would represent the number of persons who are aligned with the beast.

From post 23

The number of the name of Judah is 12,000. That is the number of his name.

Bible says the number of his name is 666 ... not 12,000

 

[One God and Father of All]

Sorry ... but you are still not explaining what these are (unless I missed it)

Revelation 14:9 ESV / 3,403 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,

In order to buy,sell,or trade in these times one would need the mark of the beast on his forehead or hand.

 

[Douggg]

what is the mark of the beast (according to scripture) ... what is the number of his (beasts) name

Hi eleos,

The mark of the beast is also connected to his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The number of the the beast's name is 666.

There has been speculation of what the mark is, and what the beast's name is. I don't know either. It may be that question will not be solvable until the person becomes the beast-king.

 

[RandyPNW]

Randy, none of the false christs, following Jesus's first coming, have ever been anointed the King of Israel. The Jews, from their standpoint, are still looking for the arrival of their King of Israel messiah. They will mistake the prince who shall come following the Gog/Magog event as being their long awaited messiah.

That person will be anointed the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah, by the Jews - making him the Antichrist.

If that's what Jesus meant, that the Jews were going to accept a Messiah-king, then you're right. That's reasonable. But you have to admit that Jesus also warned his disciples not to follow false Messiahs that *already existed in his time.* Were they kings? No, they were pretenders.

 

[One God and Father of All]

Hi eleos,

The mark of the beast is also connected to his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The number of the the beast's name is 666.

There has been speculation of what the mark is, and what the beast's name is. I don't know either. It may be that question will not be solvable until the person becomes the beast-king.

We know that the beast is “king of the north” (the Assyrian).

 

[eleos1954]

Hi eleos,

The mark of the beast is also connected to his name.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

The number of the the beast's name is 666.

There has been speculation of what the mark is, and what the beast's name is. I don't know either. It may be that question will not be solvable until the person becomes the beast-king.

Then everything you are putting forth is speculation ... so you think God warns us about these things and don't reveal what they are? That makes absolutely no sense.

Consider it (about a hour long)

 

[Douggg]

Then everything you are putting forth is speculation ... so you think God warns us about these things and don't reveal what they are? That makes absolutely no sense.

I said that I don't know what the mark of the person's name, nor what he name is. It is a fact that there have been a lot of speculation in regards to those two issues.

The speaker in the video makes the classic monumental mistake of referring to the person as the Antichrist in the universal sense, at minute 4:30 in the video. The speaker in the video is a SDA pastor. So he is promoting the SDA view that the pope/papacy is the Antichrist. The speaker says he thinks the Antichrist is "the Roman papal church state" minute 29:53 in the video.

That video does not answer what the mark of the beast's name is, nor what the 666 meaning to the beast's name is, nor what the beast's name is.

 

[Douggg]

In order to buy,sell,or trade in these times one would need the mark of the beast on his forehead or hand.

I don't think anyone disagrees with that as being what the verse says.

 

[3 Resurrections]

When the Antichrist reveals himself to be the man of lawlessness, it will end his time in his Antichrist phase.

That the Jews are still looking for their King of Israel, messiah is proof that no-one ever fulfilled that role in their eyes. What the Jews think and believe is essential to understanding the end time events involving the Antichrist.

That false christ / Antichrist already revealed himself to be the Man of Lawlessness in AD 66, which ended with his murder in the temple shortly thereafter. This is ancient history, which does not need a rebuilt temple to fulfill Christ's, Paul's, and John's prediction of an Antichrist.

God's plans are not contingent on what the Jews either think or thought. What difference does it make to eschatology if anyone calling themselves a Jew today thinks that their Messiah hasn't arrived yet? God will judge each man on a case-by-case basis as to their rejection of Jesus the Messiah. God's plans already progressed according to the first-century timing which Christ predicted for those events - including the revelation of the Antichrist and his restrainer. Paul's instruction to the Thessalonians reminded them that the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness and his restrainer were already in existence in their own time.

The Antichrist individual was one which the Pharisees of Christ's days encountered when that Man of Lawlessness "came in his own name", promoting himself as the King of Israel in the Jerusalem temple over all other Zealot leader contenders for the Messiah role. This was 3-1/2 years before that temple was torn down to the last stone in AD 70.

 

[One God and Father of All]

I don't think anyone disagrees with that as being what the verse says.

The Harlot of Revelation is charged with killing the prophets and Apostles.
Doesn’t Jesus say that Jerusalem and the scribes and Pharisees are the ones who killed the prophets and stoned them (apostles) that were sent to them? Matt 23:29-39

And Paul likewise, speaking of the Jews 1 Thes 2:15

15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

 

[3 Resurrections]

Doesn't described what the mark of the beast and the number of his name is. What are these?

The mark was the required Tyrian shekel coin minted in Jerusalem by permission of Rome. The high priesthood required that this Tyrian shekel be the only coin accepted in the temple for buying or selling any items for worship in the temple. This coin with its fobidden, abominable images and inscriptions gave homage to Rome's demi-god Herakles, and lauded the power of Rome (the current phase of the Sea Beast). People coming to the temple for worship from any nation had to pay a fee to the money-changers to trade their foreign currency for this abominable coin with its images which God had forbidden long ago back in Deuteronomy 7:25-26.

That Sea Beast was 666 years old, as of the time John was writing Revelation. It came into existence with Nebuchadnezzar's first deportation of Israelites (like Daniel) from Jerusalem in 607 BC. When John was writing Revelation, the pagan empires of the world (Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greek, and Roman) had held control of the nation of Israel almost continuously for those 666 years. The Sea Beast had features of a lion, bear, and leopard (Rev. 13:2), showing that its biography extended backward in time to that first Babylonian kingdom (the lion kingdom) under Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[Douggg]

That false christ / Antichrist already revealed himself to be the Man of Lawlessness in AD 66, which ended with his murder in the temple shortly thereafter. This is ancient history, which does not need a rebuilt temple to fulfill Christ's, Paul's, and John's prediction of an Antichrist.

God's plans are not contingent on what the Jews either think or thought. What difference does it make to eschatology if anyone calling themselves a Jew today thinks that their Messiah hasn't arrived yet? God will judge each man on a case-by-case basis as to their rejection of Jesus the Messiah. God's plans already progressed according to the first-century timing which Christ predicted for those events - including the revelation of the Antichrist and his restrainer. Paul's instruction to the Thessalonians reminded them that the Antichrist / Man of Lawlessness and his restrainer were already in existence in their own time.

The Antichrist individual was one which the Pharisees of Christ's days encountered when that Man of Lawlessness "came in his own name", promoting himself as the King of Israel in the Jerusalem temple over all other Zealot leader contenders for the Messiah role. This was 3-1/2 years before that temple was torn down to the last stone in AD 70.

The person who becomes the Antichrist and then later the beast-king will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming in Revelation 19:20. Time of the end, not 2000 years ago.

 

[Douggg]

The Harlot of Revelation is charged with killing the prophets and Apostles.

The woman is charged with...

Revelation 17: 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

The woman turned harlot in Revelation 17, sits on the seven mountains, and also on many waters of the earth representing the peoples, ,multitudes, nations, tongues.

The harlot will be destroyed by fire by the ten kings aligned with the beast in Revelation 17:16. The harlot is the Vatican. The Vatican will be burned to the ground when the person becomes the beast-king.

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Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlot, is the mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels. That kingdom will be destroyed in Revelation 18, and is responsible for....

Revelation 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.