The anti-christ......man or spirit

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the Anti-Christ is going to be one dude who will rule over the entire planet for a time.

Napoleon Bonaparte and Adofl Hitler were two dudes who were under the influence of the spirit of the antichrist. And yes there may be another dude as these two but you are working against your own understanding when you interpret the antichrist as flesh and not spirit.

Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 
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I've seen this quite a few times before, where someone is all about interpreting prophecy, and they're quite adamant that they've got it right, and everyone who sees it differently is automatically deemed inferior...which is a wrong kind of a spirit.

It’s throughout the scriptures but the apostle Paul has used a multitude of methods to alert us of the two levels of understanding. But the vast majority have been so blinded by the false prophet that they cannot see what is written.

I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? (1 Cor. 3:2-3)

What makes us carnal?.......Being of the flesh......Not knowing the spirit.

They that know the spirit do not interpret the scripture with their human mind but they look to spirit for the interpretation.

They that interpret the scripture by the letter misjudge the confidence of those who interpret it by the spirit as a lack of humility because they do not know the source of that confidence.

Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward. (Hebrews 10:35KJV)

This confidence comes from faith in the spirit.

Generally speaking, the main purpose of prophecy is not so that man can know everything ahead of time, it is so man can see (as it unfolds), that The Lord knew it perfectly all along.

Not that we don't try to look into it, but that we wait on Him, before coming to many concrete conclusions...or failing that - we're trusting in ourselves, or some guy who thinks he already knows everything correctly.

What you are saying here goes totally against what is written. And furthermore those who know God have no doubts as to His fore knowledge. God is omniscient or "all knowing" of that there is no question.

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Those who haven’t learn how to be led by the Spirit of Truth as promised by Jesus Christ (John 16:13) cannot receive this prophecy.


Yea, "one of his heads"..."the AC is the final/main head of the beast, which is Satan's "rule", or "governmental influence", as the god of this world.
The scripture speaks of a false prophet because there is one and we are told that it’s a spirit so we can avoid it’s unholy influence.

How does it influence us by filling us with pre-existing beliefs that blind us to the truth and to what is actually written.

Your believe that the antichrist and satan are one but the scripture clearly says something different. You are unable to see what is written because you blinded by what you believe.

Rev. 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
 
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
<-----> 2nd Thessalonians 2:3+4

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
<-----> 2nd Thessalonians 2:8+9

Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirs up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it has raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou has said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
<-----> Isaiah 14:9-16

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he hath but a short time.
<-----> Revelation 12:9-12
 
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Your opinion is but a projection of your own spiritual contrariness.

You read the second chapter of Paul&#8217;s 2nd epistle to the Thessalonians and you came away with the belief that Paul is talking about a evil man &#8220;the son of perdition&#8221; who will deceive mankind sometime in the future.

Sorry you missed it. Paul is not taking about some evil guy here who is going to challenge the creator. Paul is talking about deception.

If you read further on to (verse 10) you&#8217;ll see that Paul is confirming what Jesus said that it&#8217;s all about knowing the truth.

2 Thess. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Notice he is saying that they perish; &#8220;because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.&#8221;

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. (John 8:31-32)

Deception is when we believe a lie and Paul is teaching here that only those that stay grounded in the truth cannot be deceived.

He&#8217;s saying: Some are deceived by &#8220;the successful man.&#8221;

He.... Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2 Thess. 2:4)

&#8220;The son of perdition:&#8221; Represents all those who rise to prominence in the earth, men of great power and wealth and those of celebrity status who are worshiped as gods. They deceive men into believing that they represent life&#8217;s purpose and all that should be desired.

Paul goes further revealing that those who cannot accept the truth are also deceived by the false image of God that they harbor.

2 Thess. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thess. 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

They are not deceived by God as (James 1:13) says, but their own false beliefs.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Paul is confirminng the word of the Lord that our salvation is not received through belief in any doctrine but through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

2 Thess. 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

And Jesus said it this way:

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-24)
 
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No where in the Bible does it say "the antichrist" even though some translations do. If you dont believe me study up on the origional manuscripts. Modern translations were altered the text over the last few hundred years to support the doctrine of the seven year tribulation that was developed about three hundred years ago. People think the man of perdition and the false prophet are this so called future antichrist. Guess what the false phrophet muhammed, the man of perdition already came about 1500 years ago and the religion he established denies God has a son, and the Holy spirit, and reduces Jesus to a mere man which he claimed to be above. That religion is Islam and it has 2.4 billion members and grows rapidly every day. Everything in the Bible is playing out on a grand scale but most of us are blinded because we are looking for the fufillment of a false doctrine developed from very questionable sources.
 
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Modern translations were altered the text over the last few hundred years to support the doctrine of the seven year tribulation that was developed about three hundred years ago.

No, it was popularized centuries ago, it existed in early church history. The reason it disappeared was Augustine, he was a huge fan of Origen who took upon a gross allegorization of scripture. And during the middle ages no common person had a copy of the Word of God to read. Once men began again to get the Word for themselves they were able to read and say, "Hey, wait a minute, the church is wrong about this."
 
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No, it was popularized centuries ago, it existed in early church history. The reason it disappeared was Augustine, he was a huge fan of Origen who took upon a gross allegorization of scripture. And during the middle ages no common person had a copy of the Word of God to read. Once men began again to get the Word for themselves they were able to read and say, "Hey, wait a minute, the church is wrong about this."

There were documents that sort of referred to simular theories with things like Daniels 70th week as early as the 3rd century but not taken nearly as far as it has gone today. But its besides the point, no where in the bible does it ever say "the antichrist".

Here is a brief summary of how they became popularized and incorporated into church doctrine in the last few hundred years.

In 1590 a Jesuit priest named Francisco Ribera wrote a book on Revalation to combat the reformation view that the Catholic Church was the harlot in Revelation and the Antichrist. He developed the ideas of a rebuilt Jerusalem, an end time antichrist who would abolish Christianity and be received by the Jews, kill the two witnesses, pretend to be god, etc. To accomplish this, Ribera proposed that the 1260 days and 42 months and 3½ times of prophecy were not 1260 years as based on the year-day principle, but a literal 3½ years.

That takes us to 1771 when a Spanish boy from Chile named Immanuel who left to Spain and became a priest. He eventually moved to Italy and there he claimed to be a Jew named Rabbi Ben Ezra and wrote of ideas that the church would be raptured 45 days before Christs return and that in that time Christ would inflict vengeance on the earth and of the pre tribulation rapture. There was a man named Morgan Edwards who may have printed a pretrib rapture paper before the Jesuit priest did.



In 1801 the priest died and his teachings should have died with him but his works were translated into Spanish in 1812 and then 14 years later by Irving into English.



Around that time an Irvingite named Robert Norton was taken in by the supposed vision of a 15 year girl named Margret Mcdonald that told of the church being secretly raptured. Norton was so charmed by the Idea he preached it all over England, which by the way inspired the Millerites who predicted the rapture in 1844. The girl who had the vision was into occult practices and had a recorded levitation. Her vision didn't mention much of the doctrines were talking about but it was pinned to her because people were in to the spectacular.



Next we come to John Darby who adopted the Irvingite views and teachings of the Jesuit priest. He made the idea more complex and devised that Daniels 70th week had not happened yet and that it would take place at the end of the Christian era for 7 years. And in this 7 year period there would be the anti Christ ruling and a rebuilt Jerusalem temple where animal sacrifices would be resumed. And that 3 and a half years into it the anti Christ would turn on the Jews.



The teachings could have dies there but Darby went to America and that is where he met C.I. Scofield. Scofield was so taken by his teachings that he decided to include them into his Bible which is still around today. These Bibles were mass distributed and given out for free with these teachings in the commentary right next to the text.



That is the story you can look it up yourself. The Protestants considered the Jesuits and Irvingiites heretical so they tried to cover up the origin of the doctrines and claimed to originate them themselves.

We should never forget what Daniel 12:4 and 12:9 say about the book of Daniel. It is sealed untill the time of the end, no one can understand it untill the time of the end. But the doctrine goes against this and says it understands the book of Daniel and points to the time of the end in the future. Besides all of that the doctrines hold just about all of Revelation to occour in the end. But that is not what Jesus told John about the book of Revelation, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" but if thats not clear enough in verse 3 it says "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." Notice it says the time is at hand meaning its very close in time.
 
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By whatever name there is overwhelming proof that there is a spirit in the earth that is in antagonism to the spirit of Christ. Since Jesus Christ walked this earth everyman or woman who has publicly stood for any of the principles of His teaching has been destroyed. And it matters not their religion or political ideology, in fact they need not be religious and it matters not what area of the earth where they are located. A spirit that is anti-the spirit of Christ has found them and destroyed them. Greed, power and mind control are integral parts of the World system. Christ spirit of love, peace and brotherhood goes totally against this system.
The question now is;
Why has Christian persecution ended?
 
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The question now is;
Why has Christian persecution ended?


WHAT?? Over 100,000 Christians are martyred yearly. What are you talking about "ended"?? It's getting worse and worse around the globe. You've GOT to be joking!
 
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We should never forget what Daniel 12:4 and 12:9 say about the book of Daniel. It is sealed untill the time of the end, no one can understand it untill the time of the end. But the doctrine goes against this and says it understands the book of Daniel and points to the time of the end in the future. Besides all of that the doctrines hold just about all of Revelation to occour in the end. But that is not what Jesus told John about the book of Revelation, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:" but if thats not clear enough in verse 3 it says "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." Notice it says the time is at hand meaning its very close in time.

Well, I believe the doctrines are in the Bible based on personal study, and I can show you 1st and century attestations. The doctrines were changed by Augustine to mean an allegorized Eschaetology, and it took the laity getting God's Word again n their own hands that they began to see that church dogma was incorrect. It was taught early in church history, lost for 1,500 years primarily because of Augustine, and restored after the reformation.

And if you look at the Greek word used for "shortly come to pass" you'll see it's the same Greek word we get "Tachometer" from. Meaning "once beginning will rapidly come to pass." Slightly different connotation in the Greek than in the English.
 
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WHAT?? Over 100,000 Christians are martyred yearly. What are you talking about "ended"?? It's getting worse and worse around the globe. You've GOT to be joking!

Sorry I phase that wrong. What I should have said is;
Why has persecution ended in most powerful western countries where Christianity is the main religion? In fact how is it that Christianity is a major player in the political system?
 
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Well, I believe the doctrines are in the Bible based on personal study, and I can show you 1st and century attestations. The doctrines were changed by Augustine to mean an allegorized Eschaetology, and it took the laity getting God's Word again n their own hands that they began to see that church dogma was incorrect. It was taught early in church history, lost for 1,500 years primarily because of Augustine, and restored after the reformation.

And if you look at the Greek word used for "shortly come to pass" you'll see it's the same Greek word we get "Tachometer" from. Meaning "once beginning will rapidly come to pass." Slightly different connotation in the Greek than in the English.

The earliest source I can find that is anything similar to the modern day doctrine is from the 3rd century. And it was never really lost it just wasn't accepted until the reformation by a bunch of uneducated people whom most of which could not even read. And Revelation began to fulfill itself right away, you could easily say rapidly but that doesn't mean the time of the end has alreaady come. The fact stands that these things can not be be fully understood until the time of the end and any doctrine made before then will prove to be false. It really doesn't matter when it originated because the fact is that it directly goes against Gods word the Bible. Carefully read Daniel chapter 12 it tells us that the book of Daniel will not be understood until the time of the end and that it is sealed and closed until then. In verse 7 it says that the end of these things would not occur until after the time, times, and an half which goes against the doctrine. And that is just one of the many problems with the doctrine that we can get into if you want. I am out to show how true Gods word is not prove a doctrine, what is more important to you?
 
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