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Chriliman · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
If "truth" is "that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality", why should it be so hard for you to demonstrate? Or by "truth", do you mean "opinion"?

You can't demonstrate the absolute truth about life, nor can science...yet, nor can I. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

Chriliman · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
Of course. You may have only imagined the experience.

If you choose to believe that, then that is what is true to you, but not to me.

Davian · Jul 1, 2015

Michael said:
Not the God I worship and believe in. God *is* the lab, and the planet, the suns, the galaxies, and everything else that "shows up" in any lab, including awareness.

And lightning, to zap those critters back into line.

Keep going.

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
Of course. You may have only imagined the experience.

Ya, and a blind person might imagine that everyone else imagines the experience of sight.

Davian · Jul 1, 2015

Chriliman said:
If you choose to believe that, then that is what is true to you, but not to me.

I can only go with the evidence at hand.

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
And lightning, to zap those critters back into line.

Keep going.

Yep. There's definitely nothing 'impotent' about the God that I worship.

Davian · Jul 1, 2015

Michael said:
Ya, and a blind person might imagine that everyone else imagines the experience of sight.

And if all those that claim this 'sight' stumble around as always, they would be justified in their position.

Davian · Jul 1, 2015

Michael said:
Yep. There's definitely nothing 'impotent' about the God that I worship.

Quite the opposite of the Christian "God".

HitchSlap · Jul 1, 2015

Michael said:
Not the God I worship and believe in. God *is* the lab, and the planet, the suns, the galaxies, and everything else that "shows up" in any lab, including awareness.

Does your study of reality include any control groups?

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
Of course. You may have only imagined the experience.

Ya, him and billions of other human beings throughout recorded human civilization. Then again, maybe it's not imagined at all.

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
Quite the opposite of the Christian "God".

Most Christians experience the presence of the Holy Spirit, even if they can't explain it. I just happen to have a few working hypotheses about the physics related to that human experience.

Davian · Jul 1, 2015

Michael said:
Ya, him and billions of other human beings throughout recorded human civilization. Then again, maybe it's not imagined at all.

Yet not one can demonstrate that this experience is not imagined. Maybe it is.

Davian · Jul 1, 2015

Michael said:
Most Christians experience the presence of the Holy Spirit, even if they can't explain it. I just happen to have a few working hypotheses about the physics related to that human experience.

It's called 'imagination'.

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

HitchSlap said:
Does your study of reality include any control groups?

Is reality decided by "control groups". In what way would you suggest that I use them?

Davian · Jul 1, 2015

Michael said:
Is reality decided by "control groups". In what way would you suggest that I use them?

Scientifically.

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
Yet not one can demonstrate that this experience is not imagined. Maybe it is.

The only reason they can't demonstrate it (yet) is because it is an *experience of consciousness*. They can demonstrate that *other human beings* also have such experiences of consciousness. How would you empirically measure 'love' or 'forgiveness'?

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
Scientifically.

You mean like those 'dark matter' science guys that have a huge case of confirmation bias, and nothing tangible to show for *billions* of dollars worth of efforts in the lab?

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
It's called 'imagination'.

So assumes the blind man about everyone who professes to have 'sight'.

Michael · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
And if all those that claim this 'sight' stumble around as always, they would be justified in their position.

And when the sighted live happier and healthier lives? Then what?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...ffers-buffer-against-strains-modern-life.html

Chriliman · Jul 1, 2015

Davian said:
Yet not one can demonstrate that this experience is not imagined. Maybe it is.

The evidence of God's existence is love. God no longer needs to demonstrate His existence in a physical way like He did in the Old testament, because He has demonstrated His love for us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. This is God's love that is currently being demonstrated through those that believe in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, what more evidence do you need than that love from other people who claim to believe in Jesus? If you cannot accept love as evidence of something greater than yourself, then you are exactly the type of person that needs to experience that love. These are my beliefs as a Christian.

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