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The Age of the Universe

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No.

You're not even using the right term.[VERSE=1 Chronicles 16:30,KJV]Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.[/VERSE]And if by your wrong term, you mean "unmoveable" (i.e., you're double-wrong),
So, "stable, that it be not moved" is not compatible with "immovable"? That must be "bible logic".
Contradictions in the bible? Hold the presses! Film at 11!

 
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Yep. You're wrong for doing this, because you're picking the answer, then seeking the evidence, which is bassackwards. If it works for you, good on ya'.

Hmm, I would agree with this statement if the moment I became self aware, i picked a truth and stuck to it, no matter the what the evidence said. Obviously, this is not possible, after I became self aware, my only option was to observe my surroundings and try to establish what is true and what is not.

All I'm saying is that we can choose to assume, then accept something as true, but it doesn't make sense to go back to assuming something about that truth we just accepted. It's like we never accepted a truth, if we just continue assuming a truth.
 
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So you cherry-pick as you see fit.

Nope. I stick with tried and true *empirical physics*, whenever and wherever possible, hence my preference for EU/PC theory rather than a supernatural creation mythos.
 
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So basically what you are saying is that objects/cars in space appear to be moving apart faster than the speed of light, which scientists say is impossible.

So according to scientists, space is not expanding the way you described it.
 
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Exactly. All this shows is that God has designed us in such a way that eventually He knew we'd become intelligent enough to stop denying Him as God. Unfortunately, evil is deeply embedded in man
 
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Nope. I stick with tried and true *empirical physics*, whenever and wherever possible, hence my preference for EU/PC theory rather than a supernatural creation mythos.
By 'possible', you mean 'fits your preconceived god notions'.
 
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Exactly. All this shows is that God has designed us in such a way that eventually He knew we'd become intelligent enough to stop denying Him as God.
Intelligent, but not quite capable of demonstrating the existence of gods on an internet discussion forum. Or, anywhere else.
 
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Intelligent, but not quite capable of demonstrating the existence of gods on an internet discussion forum. Or, anywhere else.

Why do I have to demonstrate His existence, when I believe He'll eventually demonstrate His existence to you?
 
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By 'possible', you mean 'fits your preconceived god notions'.

Definitely not. I actually chose EU/PC theory over Lambda-CDM *without* even thinking about any 'god notions' that might apply to either idea. Even without any Panetheistic overtones, EU/PC theory is *way superior* to anything offered by Lambda-CDM proponents in term of empirically demonstrated cause/effect relationships, and in terms of pure empirical physics. Panetheism/Pantheism was simply a *bonus* that was worth considering *after* I realized that our universe is *electrical* in nature.
 
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I resent this.

Why? It's actually quite common in "science", not just religion. Cause/effect relationships are often *assumed* rather than being empirically demonstrated, and many ideas begin by starting with an assumed premise, and working backwards. It's actually a *common* behavior in science.
 
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How do you know some thing is true?
 
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So basically what you are saying is that objects/cars in space appear to be moving apart faster than the speed of light, which scientists say is impossible.

So according to scientists, space is not expanding the way you described it.
Appear to be moving faster than light and moving faster than light are two different things.
 
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Appear to be moving faster than light and moving faster than light are two different things.

Only in your mind. Only moving objects are *demonstrated* to cause photon redshift, whereas "space expansion" is a pure act of faith in the "unseen" (in the lab).
 
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But your god notions are incompatible with mainstream cosmology, are they not?
 
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