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To be honest, the first time I read the OP I was somewhat confusedand a perturbed . I even doubted for a moment my own comprehension of what I was reading, so to be charitable I endured this diatribe in disguise twice again to remove most my doubt.
My confusion and agitation has now made way for humour, shear joy and entertainment.
Elio, thanks for all the [bless and do not curse]'s and giggles. LOL
Yes, I will never understand how people expect that if they can convince me that a higher being could have created the universe, then it would only be logical for me to jump to the conclusion that gay sex is wrong and I shouldn't eat meat on Sundays during Lent, among a thousand other things.
Yes, I will never understand how people expect that if they can convince me that a higher being could have created the universe, then it would only be logical for me to jump to the conclusion that gay sex is wrong and I shouldn't eat meat on Sundays during Lent, among a thousand other things.
Well, I can explain to you why it would be logical for you to hold the conclusion that homosexuality is wrong if you were convinced that God created the universe.
If you were to become convinced that God created the universe, then that means you would hold to the position that God existed. This would entail some form of theism. Within theism there are various views on who or what God is. One of these views falls within the three monotheistic faiths. I am speaking of Christianity. There is good historical evidence that is falsifiable that Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead which would constitute a divine miracle. And if Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead that would be verification that He was indeed who He said He was, i.e. The Son of God. Since God cannot lie, and Jesus testified many times to the authenticity and authority of the scriptures (in which homosexuality is condemned), then you would have to conclude that homosexuality is wrong.
If that is what you choose to believe and feel it is all credible and the work of an all powerful God, than of course you will believe it.
It is my claim that this is more than a belief of mine.
It is my claim that Christianity is rationally justifiable, reasonably defensible and supports an abundance of corroborative evidence.
In fact it is my claim that Christianity is the only religion in the world which can be reasonably and justifiably held.
That is your prerogative and I disagree, based on the many points I have made on the same, which I will not repeat here.
Many believe as you do and a growing number disagree.
I recall your response when I last requested that you provide this "falsifiable evidence".Well, I can explain to you why it would be logical for you to hold the conclusion that homosexuality is wrong if you were convinced that God created the universe.
If you were to become convinced that God created the universe, then that means you would hold to the position that God existed. This would entail some form of theism. Within theism there are various views on who or what God is. One of these views falls within the three monotheistic faiths. I am speaking of Christianity. There is good historical evidence that is falsifiable that Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead which would constitute a divine miracle.
So, in the absence of good historical evidence that is falsifiable that Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead, which would constitute a divine miracle, homosexuality is okay?And if Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead that would be verification that He was indeed who He said He was, i.e. The Son of God. Since God cannot lie, and Jesus testified many times to the authenticity and authority of the scriptures (in which homosexuality is condemned), then you would have to conclude that homosexuality is wrong.
I don't see any reason to jump from intelligent design to the Abrahamic God, either.Well, I can explain to you why it would be logical for you to hold the conclusion that homosexuality is wrong if you were convinced that God created the universe.
I'm aware of all of this, thanks. Just because I don't agree with the logic doesn't mean I'm unaware of it. I just don't see why some people are so baffled by the fact that I don't automatically give their particular belief system every benefit of the doubt.If you were to become convinced that God created the universe, then that means you would hold to the position that God existed. This would entail some form of theism. Within theism there are various views on who or what God is. One of these views falls within the three monotheistic faiths. I am speaking of Christianity. There is good historical evidence that is falsifiable that Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead which would constitute a divine miracle. And if Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead that would be verification that He was indeed who He said He was, i.e. The Son of God. Since God cannot lie, and Jesus testified many times to the authenticity and authority of the scriptures (in which homosexuality is condemned), then you would have to conclude that homosexuality is wrong.
I offer to debate you on "the many points" you have made.
I maintain that my position has more epistemic warrant than yours and is therefore more rational and justifiable to hold to.
This logic is new to me. Wouldn't that mean Jesus confirmed that all the commonly cited laws (don't mix fabrics, don't get your hair cut, etc.) are also authentic?Jesus testified many times to the authenticity and authority of the scriptures (in which homosexuality is condemned), then you would have to conclude that homosexuality is wrong.
I recall your response when I last requested that you provide this "falsifiable evidence".
So, in the absence of good historical evidence that is falsifiable that Jesus of Nazareth did rise from the dead, which would constitute a divine miracle, homosexuality is okay?
You've conveniently drawn the line between "should" and "shouldn't" somewhere between the HIV rate for straight sex and the rate for gay sex. Therefore, it is simply a matter of opinion. I could just as easily argue that all sex is immoral, even between spouses, because there's a chance you contracted HIV since you were last tested.However, I will say that in the absence of historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, a good argument could be made that homosexuality should not be practiced.
The argument would be based on evidence such as men who are homosexuals are more likely to have or contract HIV/AIDS than men who are heterosexuals
You've conveniently drawn the line between "should" and "shouldn't" somewhere between the HIV rate for straight sex and the rate for gay sex. Therefore, it is simply a matter of opinion. I could just as easily argue that all sex is immoral, even between spouses, because there's a chance you contracted HIV since you were last tested.
You could also say that in the absence of historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, a good argument could be made that Christianity should not be practiced.My response was to Cearbhall's post and it was aimed at proving a specific point.
However, I will say that in the absence of historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, a good argument could be made that homosexuality should not be practiced.
Unless we look at what is happening in Africa.The argument would be based on evidence such as men who are homosexuals are more likely to have or contract HIV/AIDS than men who are heterosexuals, the sheer fact that homosexuals cannot procreate and reproduce naturally without the aid of some outside intervention, the fact that the human anus is a member of one's digestive system and not their reproductive system etc. etc.
That would be evidence of societal pressures, not biology.I could also use evidence which points to higher suicide rates among homosexual teens than heterosexual teens. Etc. etc.
Using the word "undeniable" does not, in itself, make your assertions undeniable.None of this appeals in any way to any religion, but rather, the cold hard facts and is undeniable.
Care to provide peer-reviewed research to substantiate that claim?Even looking at it from the perspective of a proponent of the theory of evolution, and in a sheerly pragmatic way, there simply is no good reason to engage in homosexuality. It does not help to ensure the survival of a species, if anything, it serves to destroy it.
And the opposite can be argued. Evolution acts on populations. Continuation of a species does not necessarily require every individual to producing babies.That is not to say that heterosexuals do not spread disease or get HIV/AIDS because they do, but on average, engaging in a homosexual lifestyle can be argued to be more detrimental to the humans species than beneficial.
The sheer fact that I've never heard anyone say that it's immoral for an infertile person to have sex with an opposite-sex spouse...the sheer fact that homosexuals cannot procreate and reproduce naturally without the aid of some outside intervention
Well, I can explain to you why it would be logical for you to hold the conclusion that homosexuality is wrong if you were convinced that God created the universe.
The sheer fact that I've never heard anyone say that it's immoral for an infertile person to have sex with an opposite-sex spouse...
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